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Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting

Vadinho said:
The 2nd amendment is about regulating a militia. It says nothing else really.
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The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

What part of the above is confusing? From a legal standpoint, the sentence could not be clearer. Whatever your opinion is to why we have the right has no bearing on the FACT that we do have the right.
 
noonereal said:
God Bless you.
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I love when the Lord shows people like you the error of their ways. He used me as His instrument in this case. :mrgreen:
 
Obscurity said:
Ok.

Broadcast decency act of 2005.
NYT vs US 1971 underscores the right of a state to censor media if it infringes on national security.

There are hate speech laws which also infringe on a free press.
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There aren't any hate speech laws in The United States.

The Broadcast Decency Act only bans some wordy dirds. It doesn't regulate reporting.

NYT vs The United States literally legalized the use of stolen and classified material by the media.

Like I said, there are no laws regulating media content.
 
noonereal said:
OMFG, and where are they gonna get them?

Freakin ridiculous rhetoric from the wingnuts.
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Where do illegal drugs come from? Outlaw guns in The United States and you'll see guns start getting smuggled in from other countries.
 
apdst said:
Where do illegal drugs come from? Outlaw guns in The United States and you'll see guns start getting smuggled in from other countries.
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The sheer numbers difference will make us infinity safer.
 
noonereal said:
The sheer numbers difference will make us infinity safer.
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There will be fewer guns, but they will all be in the hands of criminals. Crime rates will sky rocket, especially robberies and murders.

If you don't want to own a gun, fine, that's your business. I choose to own guns and that's my business. Until my guns cause harm to an innocent person, stay out of my business.
 
AlphaOmega said:
The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

What part of the above is confusing? From a legal standpoint, the sentence could not be clearer. Whatever your opinion is to why we have the right has no bearing on the FACT that we do have the right.
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The Gun Nuts always leave out the "Well regulated" passage...Why is that?
 
apdst said:
Crime rates will sky rocket, especially robberies and murders.

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This is wingnut theory. We have many studies and models that tells us this theory is NONSENSE.

I support banning gun to reduce violence not to enhance it. My decision is based on, like I said, something solid. Not a theory born from want.
 
noonereal said:
This is wingnut theory. We have many studies and models that tells us this theory is NONSENSE.

I support banning gun to reduce violence not to enhance it. My decision is based on, like I said, something solid. Not a theory born from want.
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If you feel like you don't need to own a gun for self defense, then the republic isn't as dangerous as you are trying to claim.
 
Saladin4 said:
The Gun Nuts always leave out the "Well regulated" passage...Why is that?
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Because it applies to the militia and has nothing to do with the right to keep and bear arms.

The part you people keep missing, is that the militia is already well regulated.
 
MauiMan said:
What plans?
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My apologies.

There have been so many "kill all gun owner" type threads made here, I am sure i overreacted when I read yours.
That is my fault for not doing so, and I am sorry.

From the reaction of others it seemed you were advocating some very drastic and draconian anti-gun laws.
My post was an immediate reaction because i have seen so many on here that DO say and advocate jailing or killing all gun owners.
 
apdst said:
If you feel like you don't need to own a gun for self defense, then the republic isn't as dangerous as you are trying to claim.
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Only a coward needs a gun for self defense.

That or a moron.

Think about it, if I have a gun and I intend to victimize you, what can your gun do but make a bad situation worse?

You reach for it and I shoot you. If you do not reach for it you are not shot.

and don't quote me that one in a million story where someone pulls a TV type self defense with a blockhead criminal. It;s statistically insignificant.

All a guy does is easy you fearful mind, falsely.

It's a comfort to a coward, nothing else.
 
apdst said:
Because it applies to the militia and has nothing to do with the right to keep and bear arms.

The part you people keep missing, is that the militia is already well regulated.
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Non sense...It applies to gun rights in general.....The Gun Nuts seem to want NO Laws...NO regulations....Claiming some idiotic Divine Right....
 
PleasantValley said:
My apologies.

There have been so many "kill all gun owner" type threads made here, I am sure i overreacted when I read yours.
That is my fault for not doing so, and I am sorry.

From the reaction of others it seemed you were advocating some very drastic and draconian anti-gun laws.
My post was an immediate reaction because i have seen so many on here that DO say and advocate jailing or killing all gun owners.
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"so many"?????...Paranoid non sense......Typical NRA inspired lunacy and paranoia
 
PleasantValley said:
My apologies.

There have been so many "kill all gun owner" type threads made here, I am sure i overreacted when I read yours.
That is my fault for not doing so, and I am sorry.

From the reaction of others it seemed you were advocating some very drastic and draconian anti-gun laws.
My post was an immediate reaction because i have seen so many on here that DO say and advocate jailing or killing all gun owners.
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No worries, and thank you. For the record, I’m pro-gun. It’s my constitutional right. I own a gun for self-defense, and I am well trained on firearms. That being said, our country seems to have people using guns who are criminal and/or mentally unstable.

The United States has one of the highest murder rates among first world countries. The need for personal protection and the protection of loved ones is very real. Check out this link (and also note that Central America and South America are far, far worse):

List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia
 
Saladin4 said:
The Gun Nuts always leave out the "Well regulated" passage...Why is that?
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No we dont. I literally just explained it to you. What part is confusing about the sentence I posted. The fact you are babbling on without being able to argue it cogently should be your clue that you are quite literally incorrect. Do you know what the word shall means? Lets go through the hard words first and then string the whole thing together and then we can see at what point of the sentence you fail to comprehend its meaning. Do you understand the legal use of the word shall?
 
MauiMan said:
No worries, and thank you. For the record, I’m pro-gun. It’s my constitutional right. I own a gun for self-defense, and I am well trained on firearms. That being said, our country seems to have people using guns who are criminal and/or mentally unstable.

The United States has one of the highest murder rates among first world countries. The need for personal protection and the protection of loved ones is very real. Check out this link (and also note that Central America and South America are far, far worse):

List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia
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The Need for Background Checks, Comprehensive Federal Regulations and Gun Control is also very real...The Gun Nuts operate on Paranoia and profound hatred of our government....They think they have a divine right to own as many firearms as they want, with NO oversight what so ever...Gun regulations in America are a joke, filled with loopholes
 
AlphaOmega said:
No we dont. I literally just explained it to you. What part is confusing about the sentence I posted. The fact you are babbling on without being able to argue it cogently should be your clue that you are quite literally incorrect. Do you know what the word shall means? Lets go through the hard words first and then string the whole thing together and then we can see at what point of the sentence you fail to comprehend its meaning. Do you understand the legal use of the word shall?
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You still pushing that Bull**** everybody needs a gun to overthrow the "gubber-Mint"?
 
MauiMan said:
No worries, and thank you. For the record, I’m pro-gun. It’s my constitutional right. I own a gun for self-defense, and I am well trained on firearms. That being said, our country seems to have people using guns who are criminal and/or mentally unstable.

The United States has one of the highest murder rates among first world countries. The need for personal protection and the protection of loved ones is very real. Check out this link (and also note that Central America and South America are far, far worse):

List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia
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See how wrong ASSumptions can be.
1. Hawaii
2. Left leaning

1 + 2 = complete dumbassed post on my part.

PS...it still does not beat the most dumbassed post i have read here lately where a member said we would be better off using Ninja Stars than a gun to protect our families lives.
 
Saladin4 said:
You still pushing that Bull**** everybody needs a gun to overthrow the "gubber-Mint"?
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I made no such argument. We were discussing the factual sentence documented in the constitution. What part do you not understand? Are you unable to articulate the part of the sentence that does not give me the right? If you can then do so, if you can, then congrats on finally understanding the single clearest legally binding sentence ever written on paper. Donyou understand it or shall we go though it word by word?
 
Saladin4 said:
You still pushing that Bull**** everybody needs a gun to overthrow the "gubber-Mint"?
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No, the point is that the federal government was never authorized by the Constitution or the 2nd Amendment to regulate the arms of the people at all.
 
Saladin4 said:
The Need for Background Checks, Comprehensive Federal Regulations and Gun Control is also very real...The Gun Nuts operate on Paranoia and profound hatred of our government....They think they have a divine right to own as many firearms as they want, with NO oversight what so ever...Gun regulations in America are a joke, filled with loopholes
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Well, it is a constitutional right. But, we as a people can change that. I agree that oversight is needed. What do you have in mind, or what do you want?
 
PleasantValley said:
See how wrong ASSumptions can be.
1. Hawaii
2. Left leaning

1 + 2 = complete dumbassed post on my part.

PS...it still does not beat the most dumbassed post i have read here lately where a member said we would be better off using Ninja Stars than a gun to protect our families lives.
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Again, no worries, and I appreciate your post. I just live here in the winter because the weather is nice. Yes, I’m left leaning, but mostly I’m libertarian. I think that our government is way, way too big and has more control over our lives than it should.
 
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