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    Re: Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting

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    I understand, it's tough to subvert emotion to fact for humans.
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    and severe penalties for those who use this for harassment
    Under Federal civil rights laws.
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    Re: Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by noonereal View Post
    So the muggers did not have guns.... LOL

    Kinda shoots the argument that all the criminal can get guns, even when they are all outlawed.

    OH, and I need a link to your shooting story.
    Which gave TD a very significant advantage.
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    Re: Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting

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    And I'm right. Ever read Hustler Magazine?
    I showed you laws that regulate the media. YOu simply act like there are none.
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    Re: Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting

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    I showed you laws that regulate the media. YOu simply act like there are none.
    None of those laws apply to actual content and context.
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    Re: Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    None of those laws apply to actual content and context.
    Wrong. Those laws dictate how things can be reported and what can be said in those articles/videos/audiotapes.

    Censorship laws impact media and the press.

    You claimed there was no regulation. You are wrong.
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    Re: Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Rucker61 View Post
    They have no Constitutional responsibility to protect every individual. They take on that role willingly, though. It's not always carried out at the officer level, however. See "Parkland".
    Where do city/county police officers derive their authority from? Where do states derive their authorities from? What document is the basis for every law in America? Answer: the United States Constitution. With authority comes responsibility.

    *Not sure what you mean, referring to the school resource officer (a sworn officer) at Parkland?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rucker61 View Post
    "If someone reasonably presents a threat (as judged by courts" then that threat isn't limited to just guns. Anything that can be used as a weapon should be kept away from this threat, or it's not about him being a threat. It's just about getting more gun control laws on the books.

    Given that many of the folks who want these laws in place consider the only use for semiautomatic weapons is to kill lots of people in a short period, and feel that anyone who owns one has to feel that way, I'm not willing to put my freedoms in the hands of virulently anti-gun people.
    ^^ Strictly personal opinion and hyperbole. We wonít agree, so Iíll pass on responding.

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    Re: Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Obscurity View Post
    Wrong. Those laws dictate how things can be reported and what can be said in those articles/videos/audiotapes.

    Censorship laws impact media and the press.

    You claimed there was no regulation. You are wrong.
    Geez, dude. The law only prohibits cussing, on air.
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    Re: Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by RaleBulgarian View Post
    Where do city/county police officers derive their authority from? Where do states derive their authorities from? What document is the basis for every law in America? Answer: the United States Constitution. With authority comes responsibility.
    The Constitution only grants powers to the federal government. There's a difference between authority to enforce a law and responsibility to enforce a law. Were the police officers in Castle Rock held accountable for failing to effectively enforce a legal restraining order? They had the authority to do so, to maintain 100% surveillance of Gonzales to arrest the perp when he violated the terms of the restraining order. They failed to do so. They were found to not be responsible for failing to exercise that authority.

    *Not sure what you mean, referring to the school resource officer (a sworn officer) at Parkland?
    Yes.
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    ^^ Strictly personal opinion and hyperbole. We won’t agree, so I’ll pass on responding.
    Do you accept that someone who is a danger to himself or others is still a danger without guns?

    Can they State ignore any other rights if the person is deemed to be a danger to themselves or others under "14th Amendment - “nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within it's jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
    Citizens are entitled to be protected from others who may harm them."

    Or is the power of the State to protect its citizens limited to red flag laws which are limited to guns?
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    Re: Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Geez, dude. The law only prohibits cussing, on air.
    Geez dude, the constituents in some states don't want people owning M60 machine guns.
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