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    Re: Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's dishonest nonsense. When I was being mugged-that was a bad situation. Having a gun made it better for me-I stopped a violent attack by shooting one of the two muggers. And in all honesty, it made the situation better for the two muggers.
    So the muggers did not have guns.... LOL

    Kinda shoots the argument that all the criminal can get guns, even when they are all outlawed.

    OH, and I need a link to your shooting story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is a really stupid generalization. and you are incorrect.
    There is an exception to every rule. My statement is accurate.
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    Re: Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Rucker61 View Post
    Please provide citations for those "facts".
    Google

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    Re: Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Irrelevant. Because the press has killed millions throughout history. False reporting by the media caused the Rwanda genocide.
    This is not Rwanda. You also stated there were no laws. That was a lie.
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    Re: Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by noonereal View Post
    Google

    easily found, don't be so lazy. If others do your work for you, you never learn. (Just like you teacher told you)
    It's your claim, you stop being lazy. I provide support for my clsims, I suggest you do the same.

    Edit: your "facts" aren't facts. It's impossible to prove something that doesn't exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonereal View Post
    So the muggers did not have guns.... LOL

    Kinda shoots the argument that all the criminal can get guns, even when they are all outlawed.

    OH, and I need a link to your shooting story.
    Try to Google. How else will you learn?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MauiMan View Post
    The language of the constitution is very precise and consistent. In both the main body and the amendments (including the 2nd), “people” always refers to individuals.

    The collective entities (groups) are the “states” and federal government which are also specifically referred to, so when the word state is used it means a state, not “the state” as we would use today which might also mean the federal government.

    The word “right” in the constitution always refers to individuals. Governmental entities never have any “rights”, they have “powers”.

    The founders were “natural scientists” and believed that “rights” derived from god or nature, and were possessed by individuals. States or governments were artificial entities and therefore could not possess rights, but could voluntarily (consent of the governed) be granted “powers” by the people to accomplish social or collective goals such as justice or defense or building a road. — Harold Piskiel
    Strict Constitutionalist, huh?

    14th Amendment - “nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within it's jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
    Citizens are entitled to be protected from others who may harm them.

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    Re: Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by RaleBulgarian View Post
    Strict Constitutionalist, huh?

    14th Amendment - “nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within it's jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
    Citizens are entitled to be protected from others who may harm them.
    From what, exactly, and by whom? Castle Rock v Gonzales and other SCOTUS decisions affirm that the State has no responsibility to protect any one citizen.

    Edit: are you claiming that this phrase gives the State the right to ignore other rights in that protection?
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    Re: Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Vadinho View Post
    The 2nd amendment is about regulating a militia. It says nothing else really.
    Not really. For the English Majors amongst us, it turns out to be true that the sentence that is the Second Amendment consists of both dependent clauses and independent clauses. "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of the state,..." is not a sentence. It is 2 dependent clauses and an incomplete philosophical statement regarding militias and free states.

    "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" is the independent clause, and a stand alone sentence offering a complete thought and a restriction upon the government.

    Diagraming sentences can be useful, if boring.

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    Re: Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by MauiMan View Post
    Is this reasonable “nut control”, or an infringement on the rights of gun owners?

    Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting
    Red flag laws violate due process and are unconstitutional. If somebody is deemed a threat they should be seized and then put through due process. Seizing any guns they might own beforehand violates their rights.

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