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    Re: Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    You hear that ladies? Wanting to defend yourself from rapists or psycho ex'es makes you a coward and/or a moron!
    wanting to defend yourself is normal and healthy. Carrying around a gun to so do is misguided and offer more danger than it does protection.

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    Re: Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by noonereal View Post
    Complete and utter bull****.

    Like I said, all you can do with your gun is make a bad situation worse.
    that's dishonest nonsense. When I was being mugged-that was a bad situation. Having a gun made it better for me-I stopped a violent attack by shooting one of the two muggers. And in all honesty, it made the situation better for the two muggers.
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    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
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    Re: Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by noonereal View Post
    wanting to defend yourself is normal and healthy. Carrying around a gun to so do is misguided and offer more danger than it does protection.

    Just facts.
    that is a really stupid generalization. and you are incorrect.
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    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
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    Re: Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by maxparrish View Post
    Having routinely and repeatedly defended 2nd amendment rights it may come as a surprise to some but in principle I see nothing wrong with temporarily disarming of person likely to harm others (although I do see it as their right to commit suicide by firearm if they wish).

    There are a lot of "uncommon sense" gun laws that have no purpose other than to take away or make expensive the practical use and right to bear arms (e.g. California's proposed legislation to limit ammo purchases to 20 bullets per month). Other laws are just plain stupid (background checks to purchase ammo). However, "red flag" laws are not.

    Over and over we have seen shootings wherein unbalanced individuals have signaled their inclinations and where they have been allowed to freely accumulate firearms and ammo. And yet we all agree that the unbalanced should not be permitted to purchase firearms, let alone own them. It is commonsense that if a judge is convinced someone is a threat, enough for a restraining order, then certainly surrender of their firearms temporarily is a harmless precaution.

    Now, I also know that the problem is not always that of a lack of law - there are plenty of cases where police have not followed up on tips or states have not done proper background checks. Without or without this law, Cruz should have been taken in for a mental exam long before his mass murder.

    Still, if properly designed to prevent abuse, making a person give up his gun for a few weeks till they can be checked out is hardly a tragedy. So yes, I support Red Flag laws.
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    Re: Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Maybe. Maybe not. One thing's for sure: an unarmed person has zero chance of defending himself. I'll take me chances as an armed citizen, not a defensless victim.
    Right, and what chance does a small woman have against some big, aggressive dude? Guns are a great equalizer.
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    Re: Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    As long as there is due process.
    and severe penalties for those who use this for harassment
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    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
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    Re: Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by noonereal View Post
    wanting to defend yourself is normal and healthy. Carrying around a gun to so do is misguided and offer more danger than it does protection.

    Just facts.
    Please provide citations for those "facts".
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    Re: Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Rucker61 View Post
    Please provide citations for those "facts".
    its an opinion from a poster-his first comments on the gun thread-was to call guns "penis extensions" IIRC
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    Re: Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Rucker61 View Post
    Do you think that AR-15s have a legitimate sport and hunting use, or do you feel that they are only useful for mass murders? If someone feels that they are only useful for mass murders, is it a stretch for them to believe that any who owns a gun whose only use is to kill lots of people in a short time is a danger to others?
    Of course I think AR-15s and similarly styled weapons have a sport and hunting use. And no its not a stretch to believe that there are people who think that anyone who owns an AR-15 or any gun is a danger to others. What is a stretch, however, is that judges and police would think that mere ownership makes a person worthy of being declared a danger.

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    Re: Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Maybe. Maybe not. One thing's for sure: an unarmed person has zero chance of defending himself. I'll take me chances as an armed citizen, not a defensless victim.
    I understand, it's tough to subvert emotion to fact for humans.
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