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    Re: Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Saladin4 View Post
    The Need for Background Checks, Comprehensive Federal Regulations and Gun Control is also very real..
    And we already have those......

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    Re: Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    In the republic, cencorship bans the use of certain words like, ****, ****, mother****er, etc".

    That's a far cry from "regulating the press".
    Keep in mind the press also isn't as regulated because the press cannot kill multiple children in schools.
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    Re: Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting

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    Keep in mind the press also isn't as regulated because the press cannot kill multiple children in schools.
    Irrelevant. Because the press has killed millions throughout history. False reporting by the media caused the Rwanda genocide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MauiMan View Post
    The Bill of Rights applies to individuals, not collectives.
    The Constitution and BOR applies to all of us, individually and collectively.

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    Re: Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by MauiMan View Post
    Is this reasonable “nut control”, or an infringement on the rights of gun owners?

    Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting
    Having routinely and repeatedly defended 2nd amendment rights it may come as a surprise to some but in principle I see nothing wrong with temporarily disarming of person likely to harm others (although I do see it as their right to commit suicide by firearm if they wish).

    There are a lot of "uncommon sense" gun laws that have no purpose other than to take away or make expensive the practical use and right to bear arms (e.g. California's proposed legislation to limit ammo purchases to 20 bullets per month). Other laws are just plain stupid (background checks to purchase ammo). However, "red flag" laws are not.

    Over and over we have seen shootings wherein unbalanced individuals have signaled their inclinations and where they have been allowed to freely accumulate firearms and ammo. And yet we all agree that the unbalanced should not be permitted to purchase firearms, let alone own them. It is commonsense that if a judge is convinced someone is a threat, enough for a restraining order, then certainly surrender of their firearms temporarily is a harmless precaution.

    Now, I also know that the problem is not always that of a lack of law - there are plenty of cases where police have not followed up on tips or states have not done proper background checks. Without or without this law, Cruz should have been taken in for a mental exam long before his mass murder.

    Still, if properly designed to prevent abuse, making a person give up his gun for a few weeks till they can be checked out is hardly a tragedy. So yes, I support Red Flag laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaleBulgarian View Post
    The Constitution and BOR applies to all of us, individually and collectively.
    The language of the constitution is very precise and consistent. In both the main body and the amendments (including the 2nd), “people” always refers to individuals.

    The collective entities (groups) are the “states” and federal government which are also specifically referred to, so when the word state is used it means a state, not “the state” as we would use today which might also mean the federal government.

    The word “right” in the constitution always refers to individuals. Governmental entities never have any “rights”, they have “powers”.

    The founders were “natural scientists” and believed that “rights” derived from god or nature, and were possessed by individuals. States or governments were artificial entities and therefore could not possess rights, but could voluntarily (consent of the governed) be granted “powers” by the people to accomplish social or collective goals such as justice or defense or building a road. — Harold Piskiel
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    Re: Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by maxparrish View Post
    Having routinely and repeatedly defended 2nd amendment rights it may come as a surprise to some but in principle I see nothing wrong with temporarily disarming of person likely to harm others (although I do see it as their right to commit suicide by firearm if they wish).

    There are a lot of "uncommon sense" gun laws that have no purpose other than to take away or make expensive the practical use and right to bear arms (e.g. California's proposed legislation to limit ammo purchases to 20 bullets per month). Other laws are just plain stupid (background checks to purchase ammo). However, "red flag" laws are not.

    Over and over we have seen shootings wherein unbalanced individuals have signaled their inclinations and where they have been allowed to freely accumulate firearms and ammo. And yet we all agree that the unbalanced should not be permitted to purchase firearms, let alone own them. It is commonsense that if a judge is convinced someone is a threat, enough for a restraining order, then certainly surrender of their firearms temporarily is a harmless precaution.

    Now, I also know that the problem is not always that of a lack of law - there are plenty of cases where police have not followed up on tips or states have not done proper background checks. Without or without this law, Cruz should have been taken in for a mental exam long before his mass murder.

    Still, if properly designed to prevent abuse, making a person give up his gun for a few weeks till they can be checked out is hardly a tragedy. So yes, I support Red Flag laws.
    Do you think that AR-15s have a legitimate sport and hunting use, or do you feel that they are only useful for mass murders? If someone feels that they are only useful for mass murders, is it a stretch for them to believe that any who owns a gun whose only use is to kill lots of people in a short time is a danger to others?
    Individuals can not be reasoned out of beliefs they were not reasoned into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post

    I won't quote you a one in a million story. I'll quote you the statistical data that proves hundreds of thousands of lives are saved yearly because of firearms ownership.
    Complete and utter bull****.

    Like I said, all you can do with your gun is make a bad situation worse.
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    Re: Gun-seizure laws grow in popularity since Parkland shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by noonereal View Post
    Complete and utter bull****.

    Like I said, all you can do with your gun is make a bad situation worse.
    Maybe. Maybe not. One thing's for sure: an unarmed person has zero chance of defending himself. I'll take me chances as an armed citizen, not a defensless victim.
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