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To Those Who Don't Live In The USA, Stop Criticizing Our Gun Rights

DebateChallenge said:
Not if they break the law as a result of their mental disorder.
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Isn't that something that doesn't need to be said because it is obviously already understood?

Alright put it this way, if countries with stricter gun laws have lower murder rates by gun that doesn't mean they have lower murder rates overall.
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America has BY FAR the highest murder rate of any 1st World Country. Take away the 2/3rds that are done by gun/mass murder and it gets really close to the rest.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Your argument and your opinions haven't mattered since 1776.
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British opinions matter a lot less after the kneeling subjects in that country surrendered their rights following a singular tragedy. Since those idiots jumped to their knees and grovelled before the crown, their country has become MORE violent, stabbings are at epidemic levels, they are trying ban knives, and are arresting people for speech others might find 'offensive'.

Truly nothing a foreigner has to say about our rights should carry ANY weight.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Watching children get killed by gun nutters who supported by gun nutters who fail to understand that less guns equals less innocent deaths sucks...
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You neither believe that nor can you tell us what a gun nut is.
 
DebateChallenge said:
No they weren't, most if not all of them had mental disorders.
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HE knows that-he is being dishonest now in order to stir things up. He doesn't believe what he posts now.
 
Bodhisattva said:
America has BY FAR the highest murder rate of any 1st World Country. Take away the 2/3rds that are done by gun/mass murder and it gets really close to the rest.
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Not per capita it doesn't.
 
TurtleDude said:
HE knows that-he is being dishonest now in order to stir things up. He doesn't believe what he posts now.
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Well since he doesn't live in the USA therefore his arguments and his opinions don't matter, not in the USA they don't.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Well since he doesn't live in the USA therefore his arguments and his opinions don't matter, not in the USA they don't.
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Based on information and belief, I will state he is an American Citizen living in the land of Kiwis and promiscuous sheep, so his opinion does matter-but the opinions he is making in this thread are not ones he actually holds.
 
TurtleDude said:
You neither believe that nor can you tell us what a gun nut is.
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A gun nutter would be a person that cares more about keeping their guns than most other things... like innocent people dying from guns... or the rights of women to have bodily sovereignty.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Well since he doesn't live in the USA therefore his arguments and his opinions don't matter, not in the USA they don't.
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I am an American citizen and I vote... so...
 
Bodhisattva said:
A gun nutter would be a person that cares more about keeping their guns than most other things... like innocent people dying from guns... or the rights of women to have bodily sovereignty.
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How does supporting gun rights have anything to do with "rights of women have bodily sovereignty".
 
Bodhisattva said:
Sure it does... the rates are based off of per 1,000.
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There are many countries with higher murder rates than the USA, Barbados, The Bahamas, Jamaica, Mongolia.

The murder rate in the USA is only 5.35 per 1000, quite low on the scale of overall murder rates.

And most of the murders by gun in the USA are gang related, with gang members shooting and killing other gang members. If you don't want to be shot don't be involved with gangs.
 
Bodhisattva said:
A gun nutter would be a person that cares more about keeping their guns than most other things... like innocent people dying from guns... or the rights of women to have bodily sovereignty.
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What does the rights of a woman to have bodily sovereignty have to do with people keeping their guns?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, just as people under age 18 and convicted felons are. The problem, of course, is how one defines "access to".
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When you buy a gun you go through a background check that checks to make sure you don't fall into any category that would disqualify you.
 
TurtleDude said:
How does supporting gun rights have anything to do with "rights of women have bodily sovereignty".
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The question was, what is a gun nutter. I defined part of what constitutes a "gun nutter" quite nicely and easily...
 
Bodhisattva said:
The question was, what is a gun nutter. I defined part of what constitutes a "gun nutter" quite nicely and easily...
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The real gun nutters are those who are afraid of legal gun ownership or who have hard ons for lawful gun owners due to politics or mental issues.
 
DebateChallenge said:
There are many countries with higher murder rates than the USA, Barbados, The Bahamas, Jamaica, Mongolia.

The murder rate in the USA is only 5.35 per 1000, quite low on the scale of overall murder rates.

And most of the murders by gun in the USA are gang related, with gang members shooting and killing other gang members. If you don't want to be shot don't be involved with gangs.
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Comparing us to third world nations is not really helping your argument. :lol:

DebateChallenge said:
What does the rights of a woman to have bodily sovereignty have to do with people keeping their guns?
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The question was, what is a gun nutter. I defined part of what constitutes a "gun nutter" quite nicely and easily...

DebateChallenge said:
People with mental disorders are denied access to firearms.
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Yep. Understood. This is a pretty basic fact. Anything else to add?
 
TurtleDude said:
The real gun nutters are those who are afraid of legal gun ownership or who have hard ons for lawful gun owners due to politics or mental issues.
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Nope... you can't hi-jack the terms to suit your gun nutty agenda. :lol:

Gun Nutters love guns more than anything else... NOTHING will sill stop their love of their killing weapons no matter what... not even if a bunch of kindergarten schoolchildren are slaughtered.... nothing will deter them from drooling over their weapons. Nothing.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Nope... you can't hi-jack the terms to suit your gun nutty agenda. :lol:

Gun Nutters love guns more than anything else... NOTHING will sill stop their love of their killing weapons no matter what... not even if a bunch of kindergarten schoolchildren are slaughtered.... nothing will deter them from drooling over their weapons. Nothing.
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DOes anyone believe BOdhi actually believe this BS?

Are you really so bored you have to post unmitigated excrement like this crap?
 
TurtleDude said:
DOes anyone believe BOdhi actually believe this BS?

Are you really so bored you have to post unmitigated excrement like this crap?
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So your debate tactic is to try and hi-jack the term 'gun nutter' and then challenge what I believe instead of challenging the argument?

OKay... lol

I win this argument counselor...
 
Bodhisattva said:
Comparing us to third world nations is not really helping your argument. :lol:
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They're not third world nations.

Bodhisattva said:
The question was, what is a gun nutter. I defined part of what constitutes a "gun nutter" quite nicely and easily...
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What does being a gun nutter have to do with women having bodily sovereignty? There is no relationship.

Bodhisattva said:
Yep. Understood. This is a pretty basic fact. Anything else to add?
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Yes, good law abiding people of sound mind should not be denied gun rights.
 
Bodhisattva said:
So your debate tactic is to try and hi-jack the term 'gun nutter' and then challenge what I believe instead of challenging the argument?

OKay... lol

I win this argument counselor...
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You don't win anything because you don't honestly believe the swill you are spewing.

and gun nutter is not a term that has any established meaning-sort of like the term "assault weapon"

and since most gun crimes are committed by felons and those criminally insane, not gun rights advocates, your pathetic and dishonest attempts to saddle gun rights advocates with the sins of felons and sociopaths is dishonest.
 
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