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To Those Who Don't Live In The USA, Stop Criticizing Our Gun Rights

noonereal said:
BS.
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Obviously you don't hunt or fish.
noonereal said:
For example deer meat has to be mixed with fat from other animals to be consumed it's so lean.
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Nah. It's good just by itself.
noonereal said:
I have fresh chicken all the time.
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Did you kill the chicken? What is your method?
noonereal said:
Goat too.
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Did you kill the goat? What is your method?
noonereal said:
I buy them and have them slaughtered across the street at the butcher.
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Ah. So you HIRE your killin' done. Too squeamish to do it yourself, eh?
noonereal said:
When a possum, woodchuck or squirrel is a pest they are simply killed and buried. We don't waste time with them.
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That is a waste. They are easy to clean and prepare.
noonereal said:
Ducks and Turkey we cut the heads off ourselves and pluck them because they are decent meat.
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Did you kill them yourself? Or do you hire it done by your butcher again?
noonereal said:
Duck blood soup, nothing wasted. In all fairness, we dont collect the feathers for pillows any longer.
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I personally doubt you ever did.
noonereal said:
Fish, is a pain in the ass.
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Easy to catch. Perhaps you're using the wrong bait or fishing in the wrong place.
noonereal said:
Why not just go to the market.
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Market is too expensive, and the fish has been frozen.
noonereal said:
Plus fishing is a horrible activity to subject oneself too.
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I am convinced that you are either using the wrong bait, don't know how to fish, or are just making it all up.
noonereal said:
Boring beyond words.
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Not at all. I can usually catch a good couple of fish in a few minutes, clean 'em in a couple of minutes, and cook 'em up for dinner. The BEST!

You are using the wrong bait, don't know how to fish, or are just making it all up.
 
TurtleDude said:
I cannot find the cartoon now, but years ago, there was a drawing of a lady-in furs with pearls, at a French restaurant, and she was talking how hunting was barbaric. The Waiter then informed her that her chicken cacciatore had died of natural causes. The last frame had her puking in a waste can.
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I gotta search for that one! That sounds like a GREAT comic strip! :lamo
 
Into the Night said:
I gotta search for that one! That sounds like a GREAT comic strip! :lamo
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It might be well over thirty years old-and I have seen various versions of it. Same sort of woman but sometimes it is trout or tuna or beef.
 
TheParser said:
Thanks for your thoughtful comments.

But for all intents and purposes, the idea has come down to us that people have a right to own guns, militia or no. (Personally, I support anyone who wants a gun for self-defense against bad actors.)

As you know, our country is a-changing. In my opinion, the "right" to have guns will become even stronger as more bad actors appear on the scene.
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Curious, what "bad actors" are you referring to?
 
Into the Night said:
I own five swords, three axes, a couple of baseball bats, one short staff, two long staffs, some rat poison, a dozen throwing knives, and three guns. Am I barbaric? Oh...I also have a kilt and play the bagpipes. Guess that makes me barbaric!

Now ask me if I care.
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You've got guns so no you're not barbaric. Somebody who is truly barbaric would only own and fight with weapons that predate guns.
 
DebateChallenge said:
You've got guns so no you're not barbaric. Somebody who is truly barbaric would only own and fight with weapons that predate guns.
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All of my swords were made after guns were invented. All of my knives and baseball bats too. Even my bagpipes and kilt.

Does owning a collectors sword made a long time ago make one barbaric if you don't have a gun? A mass murderer has a gun. Is he not barbaric because he has a gun and is shooting innocent people?

You see, 'barbaric' is a subjective term. I don't even consider it a degrading one.
 
Into the Night said:
Obviously you don't hunt or fish.

Nah. It's good just by itself.

Did you kill the chicken? What is your method?

Did you kill the goat? What is your method?

Ah. So you HIRE your killin' done. Too squeamish to do it yourself, eh?

That is a waste. They are easy to clean and prepare.

Did you kill them yourself? Or do you hire it done by your butcher again?

I personally doubt you ever did.

Easy to catch. Perhaps you're using the wrong bait or fishing in the wrong place.

Market is too expensive, and the fish has been frozen.

I am convinced that you are either using the wrong bait, don't know how to fish, or are just making it all up.

Not at all. I can usually catch a good couple of fish in a few minutes, clean 'em in a couple of minutes, and cook 'em up for dinner. The BEST!

You are using the wrong bait, don't know how to fish, or are just making it all up.
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I get it. You get most of your self worth from you "hobby" of hunting and fishing.

My self esteem is propped up by my compulsion to learn.



I don't come here however and advocate that you admire me because I know more than you, which is what you are doing in reference to your hobby.

Dude, there is nothing to admire about slaughtering and butchering animals. If you enjoy it and it's legal, enjoy. But when you start promoting yourself for a hobby most have no interest in, then that is something you need to look inward to understand why you do it.

It's clear you have zero point to make in this thread OTHER than to announce you lifestyle/hobby to all in search of that admiration that it seems you are desperate for.

If you have anything to actually discuss, let me know.


enjoy your day
 
Rucker61 said:
Man, I know a lot of deer hunters that will be totally surprised at this.
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The idea that you go out and shoot the dear yourself makes it much more palatable to try and swallow for many but there is a reason that deer is not found in stores or fast food and that is because it's not desirable because it so lean. It would be very easy to mass produce. There is no demand because it's terrible. Taste wise it's fine.
 
Into the Night said:
So killing your own animal is barbarism, but hiring someone to kill an animal for you isn't??? Just where the hell do you think that meat in the grocery store comes from???
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Killing humans with guns is barbarism. Having such powerful guns that fire so quickly is barbarism.

Do not conflate the two.

You have never heard of Columbine, New Hope, Orlando, Las Vegas.......

This has nothing to do with your legal hobby of slaughtering animals to pass time.
 
noonereal said:
Killing humans with guns is barbarism. Having such powerful guns that fire so quickly is barbarism.

Do not conflate the two.

You have never heard of Columbine, New Hope, Orlando, Las Vegas.......

This has nothing to do with your legal hobby of slaughtering animals to pass time.
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What is the maximum caliber of gun combined with type of action of a gun that defines the line between barbarism and civilization?
 
Into the Night said:
Does owning a collectors sword made a long time ago make one barbaric if you don't have a gun?
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That depends. Why do you own it? If you're somebody whose simply not into guns and who doesn't care to own any guns but you own an old sword for collector purposes than you're not barbaric.

If you use an old sword as your primary weapon and choose it as your main weapon over guns even when guns are available than you are barbaric.
 
Rucker61 said:
What is the maximum caliber of gun combined with type of action of a gun that defines the line between barbarism and civilization?
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Exactly what needs to be established by law.

Good to see you understand and agree.

We need more rational folks like you.
 
Rucker61 said:
What is the maximum caliber of gun combined with type of action of a gun that defines the line between barbarism and civilization?
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That would require more than a youtube learning of ballistics to even begin to fashion an answer and of course is a line that really cannot be rationally drawn
 
noonereal said:
Exactly what needs to be established by law.

Good to see you understand and agree.

We need more rational folks like you.
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That's a cop out. We are asking YOU
 
noonereal said:
Exactly what needs to be established by law.

Good to see you understand and agree.

We need more rational folks like you.
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No, I'm making fun of you. There is no fine line between "barbarism" and "civilized", nor is "barbarism" a concept recognized in law. We know that lawful uses of firearms are protected, and by law those include "hunting, trapshooting, target shooting, personal protection, or any other lawful activity". There's no mention of a maximum caliber or muzzle energy.
 
noonereal said:
Yes, I am from NYC Metro, my neighborhood a very densely populated area.

If you want to kill an animal and eat it, what do I care. There is no need and it's crappy food The meats good to eat are in the supermarket all ready to cook and consume.

It's a practice from a time in the past. Nothing wrong with it as a hobby.
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Simple scenario:EMP blast power down for months more likely for years. You realize finally the govt. isn't rescuing your ass. Ever try squirrel,or any of those other "crappy foods" I'm guessing not. Why hell you may even wish you had a gun.
 
flogger said:
The ease by which you can kill someone has nothing to do with either of those and thats a concept foreign to many in the US.

I have a freedom you will never know and thats the freedom from the fear of being shot :cool:
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A freedom like yours is one I can do without. What's yah gonna do if all the sudden your doors getting kicked in? Grab a steak knife that may or may not have the point rounded off(assault knife?)and fight off one or two big guys while they are saying "we only want to rob you and rape your wife(or daughter if applicable). If across The Big Water you choose to be serf's that's on you.
 
zsu2357 said:
Simple scenario:EMP blast power down for months more likely for years. You realize finally the govt. isn't rescuing your ass. Ever try squirrel,or any of those other "crappy foods" I'm guessing not. Why hell you may even wish you had a gun.
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I doubt NYC has enough food to last a week, much less months.
 
flogger said:
The ease by which you can kill someone has nothing to do with either of those and thats a concept foreign to many in the US.

I have a freedom you will never know and thats the freedom from the fear of being shot :cool:
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How can you be free of the fear of getting shot when your government has explicitly approved 3/4 of a million people to have the ability to kill people easier?
 
zsu2357 said:
A freedom like yours is one I can do without. What's yah gonna do if all the sudden your doors getting kicked in? Grab a steak knife that may or may not have the point rounded off(assault knife?)and fight off one or two big guys while they are saying "we only want to rob you and rape your wife(or daughter if applicable). If across The Big Water you choose to be serf's that's on you.
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Who on earth kicks in a door?

You have a much better chance of being struck by lightening.
 
=noonereal;1069692176]Who on earth kicks in a door?
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I said kick rather than kick so as to imply he may have a chance to arm himself appropriately.
You have a much better chance of being struck by lightening.
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My wife was in SC for her basic training and a storm whipped up and in about 5 minutes she saw 3 people hit by lighting.
 
noonereal said:
Who on earth kicks in a door?

You have a much better chance of being struck by lightening.
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You have more of a chance of being hit by lightning than being shot by someone with an AR-15 in a mass shooting, yet here we are.
 
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