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To Those Who Don't Live In The USA, Stop Criticizing Our Gun Rights

TurtleDude said:
Why do you dishonestly accuse anyone who owns guns of wanting an opportunity to kill people? Does such a lie filled perspective make up for your lack of a rational argument?
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No its that I think killing easily is bad. Sorry if its confusing :cool:
 
flogger said:
Maybe not wanting the opportunity to kill people might be a start .... Just thinkin :wink:
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Well, when the UK has zero firearms, and zero homicides, come back and talk to us.
 
Rucker61 said:
Well, when the UK has zero firearms, and zero homicides, come back and talk to us.
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We are over 40 times less likely to be shot than you are and we see that as a good thing .... why don't you ?
 
flogger said:
Because you are a dangerous gun nutter ..... simples :roll:
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Really? so why was I authorized to carry firearms in federal courthouses, etc? You think anyone who isn't wetting their panties over guns, is a "dangerous gun nutter"
 
flogger said:
No its that I think killing easily is bad. Sorry if its confusing :cool:
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Yet you claimed to have served in the British Army. You are lying one way or the other.
 
TurtleDude said:
Really? so why was I authorized to carry firearms in federal courthouses, etc? You think anyone who isn't wetting their panties over guns, is a "dangerous gun nutter"
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So why do you think having 21 guns in your home is a good idea ?
 
flogger said:
We are over 40 times less likely to be shot than you are and we see that as a good thing .... why don't you ?
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Here's what I don't understand. According to you, owning firearms means "wanting the opportunity to kill people". We know that in the US, people who want to own firearms can, without any input from the government, meaning whether or not the government wants us to have firearms, we get to, unless there's some disqualifying reason.

In the UK, however, it's completely different. You can still own firearms, presumably because of "wanting the opportunity to kill people", but the government has total control over who can have a gun. No one can own a gun without the approval of the UK government. That means that when the UK government gives that approval, they are in fact stating that they want that gun owner to have the ability to kill people more easily than if they didn't have a gun. At last count the number of license firearm owners in the UK was 710,211. That's almost 3/4 of a million people with the expressed approval of the UK government to have the ability to kill more easily.

What makes those people so special?

Guns in the United Kingdom — Firearms, gun law and gun control
 
flogger said:
So why do you think having 21 guns in your home is a good idea ?
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A king may stop by. I can both salute him appropriately and coincidentally offer him a bed in his size.
 
flogger said:
So why do you think having 21 guns in your home is a good idea ?
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To be fair we have such an entrenched gun culture that heaving 21 guns is pretty normal. It's partly hobby and partly sport aside from the false sense of security they provide.
 
noonereal said:
To be fair we have such an entrenched gun culture that heaving 21 guns is pretty normal. It's partly hobby and partly sport aside from the false sense of security they provide.
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How do 21 guns provide any different feeling of security, false or not, than 2 guns do? That's about as many as I can use at one time, and one would be better.
 
flogger said:
So why do you think having 21 guns in your home is a good idea ?
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I never said that-I said I have won 21 guns. I have been a national class competitor in

ISU Skeet (The Style of Skeet shot in the Olympics and the World Championships-at my best, I was better than anyone England ever fielded in World or Olympic Competition)

Sporting Clays-I was one of the few shooters to ever make MASTER for my first average

NSSA Skeet-American Style Four gun skeet-Triple A rated shooter

ISU Trap-the kind of Trap shot in the Olympics and the World games-Collegiate silver medalist, several times regional or state champion

"Pin shooting"-a form of action pistol shooting where competitors try to clear a 4x8 foot table of five standard bowling pins as fast as possible. Set the national record in that in 1986

"Steel shooting"-another speed game where shooters use handguns, or 22 or 9mm Carbines to shoot steel plates as fast as possible. Misses result in a time penalty

IPSC-USPSA-the standard action handgun competition practiced world wide-now it includes PCCs (Pistol Cartridge Carbines)

PPC-Police Pistol Competition-a dying game that was big before USPSA-revolvers were used. I was a member of the 60X club

I also am decent in American Trap, Small bore three position rifle and ISU Air rifle and bullseye pistol shooting. I also-at one time-held a national record south of the border for dove shooting (in a country where they are considered pests)

so all those events require lots of different kinds of guns
 
noonereal said:
To be fair we have such an entrenched gun culture that heaving 21 guns is pretty normal. It's partly hobby and partly sport aside from the false sense of security they provide.
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Its barbarism in the 21st century pure and simple :(
 
TurtleDude said:
I also-at one time-held a national record south of the border for dove shooting (in a country where they are considered pests)
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How did your shoulder feel after that one? What was the ammo bill like?
 
flogger said:
I did serve in the British army ..... so what ? :roll:
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well if you saw combat-which I doubt given your claims-then you certainly wanted something that would allow you to kill easily.
 
Rucker61 said:
How do 21 guns provide any different feeling of security, false or not, than 2 guns do? That's about as many as I can use at one time, and one would be better.
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Read my response again. You did not follow.

A false sense of security is only one of 3 reasons I listed as reasons to have guns.
 
Rucker61 said:
How did your shoulder feel after that one? What was the ammo bill like?
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it was high but the birds were free. I think in Bolivia it was 7 bucks a box so a case was 140 dollars (five hundred shells). I was close to 500. I was used to shooting 4X100 events constantly so 500 shells in an afternoon wasn't all that tough. I was shooting one of my old skeet Guns- a Perazzi MT-6 with screw chokes or a Browning Citori trap gun (cannot recall-I took both guns down south many a time)
 
noonereal said:
Read my response again. You did not follow.

A false sense of security is only one of 3 reasons I listed as reasons to have guns.
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you should tell all those politicians who have armed guards that its a false sense of security.
 
noonereal said:
Read my response again. You did not follow.

A false sense of security is only one of 3 reasons I listed as reasons to have guns.
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The implication is that one reason that one would own 21 guns is for a false sense of security. Is that security based on owning that many guns (or some big number M), or any guns at all?
 
flogger said:
Its barbarism in the 21st century pure and simple :(
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Obviously. But still, understanding human nature makes it easy to understand why it's so hard to progress.

Humans fear change. Especially change that they perceive as makeing them less secure.

It's all emotion. People don't act on objective, quantifiable, qualified information.
 
Rucker61 said:
How do 21 guns provide any different feeling of security, false or not, than 2 guns do? That's about as many as I can use at one time, and one would be better.
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it is akin to saying I can drive farther in a day by owning 20 cars as opposed to one or two
 
TurtleDude said:
it was high but the birds were free. I think in Bolivia it was 7 bucks a box so a case was 140 dollars (five hundred shells). I was close to 500. I was used to shooting 4X100 events constantly so 500 shells in an afternoon wasn't all that tough. I was shooting one of my old skeet Guns- a Perazzi MT-6 with screw chokes or a Browning Citori trap gun (cannot recall-I took both guns down south many a time)
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I've seen ammo bills for a group shooting for a week that was over $10k. I'd like to take a Benelli dove gun down to Argentina for a visit.
 
Rucker61 said:
The implication is that one reason that one would own 21 guns is for a false sense of security. Is that security based on owning that many guns (or some big number M), or any guns at all?
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Owning any gun at all. Some do feel falsely comforted from sheer numbers as well. There is no one size fits all.

You put all the reasons I listed together and owning 21 guns is not very abnormal.
 
noonereal said:
Obviously. But still, understanding human nature makes it easy to understand why it's so hard to progress.

Humans fear change. Especially change that they perceive as makeing them less secure.

It's all emotion. People don't act on objective, quantifiable, qualified information.
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you are describing what motivates the ignorant leftwing anti gun position. Now as to the hard core gun banners-it is purely machiavellian.
 
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