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To Those Who Don't Live In The USA, Stop Criticizing Our Gun Rights

flogger said:
No you just like the idea of having the facility to kill one another more easily than you can elsewhere in the civilised world .... but you knew that already :wink:
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You want innocent people to be helpless when attacked by violent criminals. I like the idea that If I am away and a thug or two decides to rob our home, my wife has the means to kill them quickly and with little danger to herself. You, on the other hand, want violent criminals to be successful in their predatory endeavors and you want to pass laws that make women, or the elderly, easy prey for violent scum
 
TurtleDude said:
You want innocent people to be helpless when attacked by violent criminals. I like the idea that If I am away and a thug or two decides to rob our home, my wife has the means to kill them quickly and with little danger to herself. You, on the other hand, want violent criminals to be successful in their predatory endeavors and you want to pass laws that make women, or the elderly, easy prey for violent scum
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I'm 57 and have never needed nor wanted to kill anybody in my entire life ...... why do you think that might be ?
 
flogger said:
I'm 57 and have never needed nor wanted to kill anybody in my entire life ...... why do you think that might be ?
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That's as stupid as a long time smoker saying he has never been diagnosed with lung cancer. But I am a bit perplexed. You made claims-many times-=about being some combat soldier when British imperialism was running rampant in the Falklands. This claim is contradicted by your above claim.
 
TurtleDude said:
That's as stupid as a long time smoker saying he has never been diagnosed with lung cancer. But I am a bit perplexed. You made claims-many times-=about being some combat soldier when British imperialism was running rampant in the Falklands. This claim is contradicted by your above claim.
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My question stands. Why do my countrymen not want to kill one another less than yours do via stupid access to guns ?
 
flogger said:
My question stands. Why do my countrymen not want to kill one another less than yours do via stupid access to guns ?
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why do your countrymen want to kill each other more now than when they had guns?
 
flogger said:
My question stands. Why do my countrymen not want to kill one another less than yours do via stupid access to guns ?
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I think your countrymen have become nanny state sheeple and are afraid to make their own personal safety an individual duty-but rather have outsourced that to the nanny state
 
HumblePi said:
Geezus, so sensitive about your weapons. Wouldn't you agree that it's important that all sides be given a chance to express their opinions whether they're from the U.S. or not? There are truths proven by actual experience in which countries with stricter gun laws have fewer gun deaths per capita. Whether you want to acknowledge that fact or not, it doesn't change the facts.
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If somebody had the opinion that rape and murder should be allowed, would you be OK with that?

HumblePi said:
We have an out of control problem in the United States with firearms, that's a fact too. So if there's someone from another country that wants to offer up their experiences with weapons in their own country then I say 'welcome' to them.
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That's all fine and good as long as their experiences don't involve saying what kind of laws the USA should have. I've talked with people from other countries about their experiences with weapons, I've heard from people who might hunt or target shoot in other countries and I have no problem with them sharing their experiences doing those things. My problem is when they complain about American laws when they don't live here.

HumblePi said:
This is not a debate forum "for Americans only", it's a globally accessible forum and you have no right to tell anyone that they shouldn't be here offering their own comments.
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I especially have the right to tell people from other countries to not offer up their comments about how the USA should have more restrictive gun laws if they're from the UK. People from other countries in general have no business saying what kind of gun laws the USA should have but especially people from the UK.
 
flogger said:
The fact that our (already tiny) gun deaths have declined by 75% since 2001 thanks to prudent gun legislation is clearly something you will never accept
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Answer my question on post #530 before you make any more comments about gun laws in the USA.
 
DebateChallenge said:
If somebody had the opinion that rape and murder should be allowed, would you be OK with that?


That's all fine and good as long as their experiences don't involve saying what kind of laws the USA should have. I've talked with people from other countries about their experiences with weapons, I've heard from people who might hunt or target shoot in other countries and I have no problem with them sharing their experiences doing those things. My problem is when they complain about American laws when they don't live here.


I especially have the right to tell people from other countries to not offer up their comments about how the USA should have more restrictive gun laws if they're from the UK. People from other countries in general have no business saying what kind of gun laws the USA should have but especially people from the UK.
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You're just defensive about your guns and view their opinion as 'complaining' when in fact they're only offering their opinion. Do you have a problem with others voicing an opinion? Have you ever, even once, listened to someone with a dissenting view of something and really stop and think about what they're saying and apply some critical thinking to it as to whether or not it makes sense? That's what debate is for, that's what opinions are for, that's why opinions from people from other cultures and countries can be valuable.
 
HumblePi said:
You're just defensive about your guns and view their opinion as 'complaining' when in fact they're only offering their opinion. Do you have a problem with others voicing an opinion? Have you ever, even once, listened to someone with a dissenting view of something and really stop and think about what they're saying and apply some critical thinking to it as to whether or not it makes sense? That's what debate is for, that's what opinions are for, that's why opinions from people from other cultures and countries can be valuable.
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I have yet to see any advice from foreigners that would comport with our constitution and would actually do any good. Most of it is akin to Aesop's fox or is from those who are hateful of the politics of gun owners in general
 
HumblePi said:
You're just defensive about your guns and view their opinion as 'complaining' when in fact they're only offering their opinion. Do you have a problem with others voicing an opinion? Have you ever, even once, listened to someone with a dissenting view of something and really stop and think about what they're saying and apply some critical thinking to it as to whether or not it makes sense? That's what debate is for, that's what opinions are for, that's why opinions from people from other cultures and countries can be valuable.
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If their suggestions are in alignment with our Constitution, or wouldn't be effective in the environmental differences of the US to their home country, then our only duty is to point those issues out. Debating if Australian style confiscation would work here is a worthless argument given our Constitution. Suggesting over and over again only points out that these people aren't capable of learning.
 
TurtleDude said:
I think your countrymen have become nanny state sheeple and are afraid to make their own personal safety an individual duty-but rather have outsourced that to the nanny state
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Defensive shootings are extremely rare in the US. Its the killing you like :(
 
DebateChallenge said:
You don't mention where you get your sources from but assuming they're correct, since you don't live in the USA this shouldn't concern you. You can stay in your home country of the UK if its so safe. You still haven't answered my question as to why you're complaining about United States gun rights when you don't even live there.
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Many countries have gun rights but none have gun obsessions like the US ergo the criticism is well warranted
 
flogger said:
They don't. Our murder rate is still less than a quarter of yours thanks to sane gun legislation
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Are you denying that your homicide rate is higher now than it was in January 1997?
 
Obscurity said:
People from overseas criticize our gun laws because the US is a goddamned war zone.
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Nope. No war zone here! You've been believing the movies too much!
Obscurity said:
Everything is so polarized.
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Polarization is not war.
Obscurity said:
Everyone views everyone else as an enemy to be defeated.
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Not happening here. You've been watching too many movies. They are not real.
Obscurity said:
When we act like children,
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Bigotry. There are people living here that are from zero to 100 years old. Most are good people.
Obscurity said:
we deserve to be criticized.
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For what? Owning a gun? Should we criticize you because you own a knife?

We generally don't go around shooting people with our guns. Your population generally don't go around knifing people in the back. The United States is not a war zone.
 
flogger said:
The fact that our (already tiny) gun deaths have declined by 75% since 2001 thanks to prudent gun legislation is clearly something you will never accept
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A better comparison is the homicide and suicide rate, not gun death rate.
 
flogger said:
Even when many urban areas of the US clearly already are ?
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They aren't. Even the local gangs don't spend their time shooting each other much. This is a good thing. They are generally lousy shots.
 
Rucker61 said:
What's the current total homicide rate in England/Wales, and how does that compare to the homicide rate in January 1997?
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flogger said:
Far fewer of our people are being shot than there used to be . Why do you find that so threatening ?
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Evasion. Answer his question put to you.
 
flogger said:
No your gun violence is what it is ..... and thats well over 40 times ours explaining why your homicide rate is nearly 5 times ours

And people like you like it that way :(
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Why did your homicide rate increase by 22% since your handgun ban?
 
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