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To Those Who Don't Live In The USA, Stop Criticizing Our Gun Rights

flogger said:
The fact is elsewhere they mostly don't. Defensive gun deaths are extremely rare
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That's because often when a good person shoots a criminal the criminal is just injured but not killed, but by shooting the criminal they're able to stop them, even if the criminal lives.

Also, much of the time when a gun is used in self defense a shot is not fired, when the criminal sees that their would be victim has a gun they give up.

And it still hasn't registered with you, since you don't live in the USA the fact that we've got gun rights in the USA should not concern you.
 
flogger said:
Errr .... like it does in every other developed country
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The USA is isolated from other developed countries in its gun culture, so that would never work in the USA.
 
flogger said:
That is perhaps true .... but no other country but the US actively likes it that way and promotes such violence as entertainment :(
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The UK promotes violence in its entertainment, maybe not gun violence but it does portray violence nonetheless.
 
flogger said:
I'm happy for you. We generally don't like the idea of being shot nor of shooting somebody here .I suspect that concept might be a challlenging one for you
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So you like it that way. You like having strict gun laws in your country, good. How many times do I have to point it out before it gets through your thick head? If you're satisfied with the gun laws in your country than you shouldn't be complaining about ours which is really none of your business.
 
Considering so many countries in the world have asked and relied on financial and military aid from the US in order to maintain their sovereignty and feed and care for their people, I think the US ought to be making decisions for them.
 
Integrityrespec said:
Considering so many countries in the world have asked and relied on financial and military aid from the US in order to maintain their sovereignty and feed and care for their people, I think the US ought to be making decisions for them.
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I wouldn't go that far but I will say this much, people in other countries, especially people in the UK, should not be trying to make decisions for the USA and should not be criticizing or trying to tell us how to run our country, particularly when it comes to gun rights.
 
DebateChallenge said:
I wouldn't go that far but I will say this much, people in other countries, especially people in the UK, should not be trying to make decisions for the USA and should not be criticizing or trying to tell us how to run our country, particularly when it comes to gun rights.
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Why not? Are you going to shoot us?
 
DebateChallenge said:
The USA is isolated from other developed countries in its gun culture, so that would never work in the USA.
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I guess you'll just have to keep shooting one another in large numbers then . No sense in learning from others :roll:
 
DebateChallenge said:
That's because often when a good person shoots a criminal the criminal is just injured but not killed, but by shooting the criminal they're able to stop them, even if the criminal lives.
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So law abiding citizens despite all their practice and longing for the day they will get a chance to shoot someone are actually worse shots than the criminals ?

Hilarious :lol:

Heads up Clint most criminals will have their gun out first. Pulling yours will then simply get you killed
 
flogger said:
You seem to want to shoot everything else thats within range though :roll:
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I do shoot paper targets, and animals if Im going hunting, but I would hope to never have to shoot a person.
 
flogger said:
So law abiding citizens despite all their practice and longing for the day they will get a chance to shoot someone are actually worse shots than the criminals ?
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Nope, often its handguns that are used in self defense and due to their ballistic deficiency handguns will often just injure a person and not kill them. Taking a double shot to the thoracic cavity with a handgun, as you're taught to do in handgun defensive classes, is very effective in stopping a person but will often not kill them.

flogger said:
Heads up Clint most criminals will have their gun out first. Pulling yours will then simply get you killed
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Bad guys tend to be bad shots.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Gun rights are a human right.


The USA does not warrant criticism from other countries for its gun rights and especially not from the UK or from anybody from the UK.
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We don't need to give the world permission before they share their opinion.
 
flogger said:
Prove it ?
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Void question. Prove what? That lives are saved by guns??
flogger said:
The plain fact is your society likes the idea of killing easily
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If one must kill, why not make it easier to do so? Who says killing something has to be hard? It this some of your 'fair play' attitude that lost you the war (twice!)?
flogger said:
be that animals or each other hence the reverence for firearms
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We don't worship firearms. They are a useful tool, nothing more. You seem to think Americans kill indiscriminately at will. You've been watching too many movies and believing too much of the news. We actually have a per capita murder rate pretty similar to yours, despite the number of guns in this country.
flogger said:
whatever the math
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He who denies math is a fool.
flogger said:
and some 80% of your Hollywood output involves gunplay in one form or another.
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HAHAHAHAHHA! The movie industry is notoriously illiterate about guns, or any other bit of technology! From the days of old Westerns, that had guns that could shoot sixteen million bullets without reloading, to today's, that have major shootouts in modern cities just like the old Westerns, the movie industry is TERRIBLE about knowing what guns are and what they do!

Do you know how many movies come out of Pinewood Studios (that's in England, you know) that use guns and other missile type weapons in them? Even James Bond carried a gun. Harry Potter used wands instead of guns, but they were used like guns.

And you think the movies are REAL?!?

flogger said:
This is simply barbarism sadly :(
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No, it's the MOVIES. It isn't REAL. It's STORYTELLING.
 
flogger said:
The fact is elsewhere they mostly don't. Defensive gun deaths are extremely rare
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Do you know why? Because we don't even have to shoot them most of the time. Just showing the gun we have is enough to make them leave. Just like drawing a sword on a bandit armed with a knife. Is the bandit stupid enough to stand and fight?
 
flogger said:
What if the criminals were to find it so much more difficult to get guns and the number of lives that might be saved as a consequence ?

Imagine that ? Well you don't need to as thats the reality in every other developed country :)
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Again, you refer to England and the United States as undeveloped countries. Why do you do this?
 
flogger said:
That is perhaps true .... but no other country but the US actively likes it that way and promotes such violence as entertainment :(
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Then I guess by this statement, you don't believe England exists.
 
flogger said:
John Wick OTT gun porn you mean ? Nuff said :roll:

What is wrong with you people that you idolise this uber violent BS
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We don't. I don't even bother to watch such movies. I find them boring.
 
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