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    Re: To Those Who Don't Live In The USA, Stop Criticizing Our Gun Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by DebateChallenge View Post
    Doesn't mean you saw action.
    Quite true. He could've been a cook behind the lines for all we know. In any case, since he claimed that guns indicate an undeveloped and barbarous nation, he is just showing England to be an undeveloped and barbarous nation.

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    Re: To Those Who Don't Live In The USA, Stop Criticizing Our Gun Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Maccabee View Post
    Again, provide evidence that countries like the UK lowered their gun death rate. Every country, that I've seen, that has a low gun death and strict gun control already had a low gun death rate before the strict measures were implemented and the effect was either insignificant or in some cases had the reverse effect. Why should the US implement strict gun control when there is no evidence that it reduces gun death rates?
    Except for the fact you are over 40 times less likely to be shot dead in the UK you mean?

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    Re: To Those Who Don't Live In The USA, Stop Criticizing Our Gun Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Don't know many people that build little shrines around their gun and worship it. You really DO have a distorted view of America, don't you?
    Not really given I once lived there for two years and been a member of this place for many more

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    Re: To Those Who Don't Live In The USA, Stop Criticizing Our Gun Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    I do. Gangsters tend to be lousy shots and hit innocent bystanders.
    Not nearly as many as mass shooters with their mostly legally owned firearms I'd wager

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    Re: To Those Who Don't Live In The USA, Stop Criticizing Our Gun Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Not exactly a home defense situation, is it? Guess that makes England an undeveloped country, by your own argument!
    Did you know just having a gun in your home means you and yours are seven times more likely to be killed as a consequence than you are of killing any intruder ?

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    Re: To Those Who Don't Live In The USA, Stop Criticizing Our Gun Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Did you know just having a gun in your home means you and yours are seven times more likely to be killed as a consequence than you are of killing any intruder ?
    which is a stupid argument because most of the time, criminal attacks are deterred without the intended victim killing the attacker.
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    Re: To Those Who Don't Live In The USA, Stop Criticizing Our Gun Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Did you know just having a gun in your home means you and yours are seven times more likely to be killed as a consequence than you are of killing any intruder ?
    Did you know that living alone or renting your home were both found to have much higher risk factors for homicide in the home than having a gun in the home was? Or that having a long gun in the home was actually found to be less risky than no gun at all? See table 3. If you look at Table 4 you can understand why Kellermann didn't want to even include alcohol as a risk factor for homicide in the home.

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    Re: To Those Who Don't Live In The USA, Stop Criticizing Our Gun Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    which is a stupid argument because most of the time, criminal attacks are deterred without the intended victim killing the attacker.
    Prove it ?

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    Re: To Those Who Don't Live In The USA, Stop Criticizing Our Gun Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Prove it ?
    I don't see you offering up any proof for you prior claim.
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    Re: To Those Who Don't Live In The USA, Stop Criticizing Our Gun Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Rucker61 View Post
    Did you know that living alone or renting your home were both found to have much higher risk factors for homicide in the home than having a gun in the home was? Or that having a long gun in the home was actually found to be less risky than no gun at all? See table 3. If you look at Table 4 you can understand why Kellermann didn't want to even include alcohol as a risk factor for homicide in the home.

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.105...99310073291506
    Did you know that homicide in the home in the US is some 11 times that of the UK ? Hmmm .... what alternative factor could be the cause of that I wonder ?

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