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I'm a teacher. I carry a gun to school everyday.

VanceMack said:
You have been presented evidence of armed citizens that are far more capable than you give them credit for, yet INSIST on clinging to this unfounded mantra that citizens are incapable of handling an armed response.

Why do you avoid the FACTS while clinging to your ridiculous and completely disproved dogma?
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evidence of what now? disproved what now?

This is your move, a crazy curveball making assertions that you've already presented arguments you haven't?

Good luck with that, here's a brick wall you'll get a more polite response out of it than me...
 
ThoughtEx. said:
I'm respond to a post, in which you actually say your words are to long, I didn't read them. Now you're saying another non answer. You didn't even read the first answer.

Yeah, it's good to laugh in a thread about school shootings when you're position is it's best to be prepared when the little bastards try something gotta gun em down like Eastwood...

Real knee slapper.
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And another cowardly non answer.

What normally happens when an active shooter is engaged by an armed vs. unarmed person?

It is a simple question.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
evidence of what now? disproved what now?

This is your move, a crazy curveball making assertions that you've already presented arguments you haven't?

Good luck with that, here's a brick wall you'll get a more polite response out of it than me...
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Dood...Ive provided a link to 27 known instances where ARMED CITIZENS...just folk...stopped mass shootings. Yet you just ignore the facts and cling to your proven false rhetoric.
 
Fledermaus said:
And another cowardly non answer.

What normally happens when an active shooter is engaged by an armed vs. unarmed person?

It is a simple question.
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Well, learn to read, and you'll have your answer. Why should I dumb down my answer because it was to long for your snowflake eyeballs? Hmm? Any ideas, what special about you that I should shorten the answer like I would with a child?
 
VanceMack said:
Personally...I agree. I also find it amusing so many of them after sacrificing their own rights now feel compelled to involve themselves in US affairs.
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I’ve wondered about that myself.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
Well, learn to read, and you'll have your answer. Why should I dumb down my answer because it was to long for your snowflake eyeballs? Hmm? Any ideas, what special about you that I should shorten the answer like I would with a child?
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And another cowardly non answer....

Why won't you address the question?
 
VanceMack said:
Dood...Ive provided a link to 27 known instances where ARMED CITIZENS...just folk...stopped mass shootings. Yet you just ignore the facts and cling to your proven false rhetoric.
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Ok so 27 out of how many mass shootings in 2018? 308? Something like that? Oh wait, not all of those 27 happened in the same year did they?

So, to put it more bluntly, your evidence is ****. Take that **** and weigh it in one hand, and wish in the other. And that's what you have hands full **** and wishes.
 
Fledermaus said:
And another cowardly non answer....

Why won't you address the question?
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Because I don't dumb down answers I've already given to appease people trying to get me with a gotcha. Not only have I answered your question, I spelled out for you the follow up answer to the gotcha you were go to get me with should I say what you want me to say.

It's not clever, just ignoring the rebuttal to your failed gotcha as a cowards move.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
Because I don't dumb down answers I've already given to appease people trying to get me with a gotcha. Not only have I answered your question, I spelled out for you the follow up answer to the gotcha you were go to get me with should I say what you want me to say.

It's not clever, just ignoring the rebuttal to your failed gotcha as a cowards move.
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You didn't answer the question.

What normally happens when an active shooter is engaged by armed vs. unarmed persons?
 
Fledermaus said:
You didn't answer the question.

What normally happens when an active shooter is engaged by armed vs. unarmed persons?
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So despite me telling you what the answer is that you want, the rebuttal that you would give to it, and then addressing that rebuttal, and then the subsequent posts where I continue to point out your tactic.

You just gonna double on down.

Why?
 
ThoughtEx. said:
So despite me telling you what the answer is that you want, the rebuttal that you would give to it, and then addressing that rebuttal, and then the subsequent posts where I continue to point out your tactic.

You just gonna double on down.

Why?
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You still haven't answered the question.

You reacted negatively to the question. You didn't answer it.

Please fail again.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
So despite me telling you what the answer is that you want, the rebuttal that you would give to it, and then addressing that rebuttal, and then the subsequent posts where I continue to point out your tactic.

You just gonna double on down.

Why?
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Let's play your game....

Post number where you ANSWERED the question?
 
ThoughtEx. said:
Ok so 27 out of how many mass shootings in 2018? 308? Something like that? Oh wait, not all of those 27 happened in the same year did they?

So, to put it more bluntly, your evidence is ****. Take that **** and weigh it in one hand, and wish in the other. And that's what you have hands full **** and wishes.
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There are 106 actual instances of mass shootings. Keep in mind this is the criteria mass shootings are judged by and not the criteria the media applies which includes every gang shooting with multiple victims.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/
Its funny...you continue to bleat on in ignorance, regurgitate unfounded lies, but consider the actual facts you have been presented as 'inadequate'.

But since you want to include EVERY gang affiliated, crime or drug related shooting as a 'mass shooting, then dont we have to include ALL the instances where armed law abiding citizens have prevented ANY type of shooting? So we can look at the estimated range there as being anywhere from 200,000 to 2.5 MILLION times per year. But since most of those cant be verified if we go to an extreme low end we STILL find over 100,000 verifiable instances of law abiding citizens stopping violent crime.
https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/602143823/how-often-do-people-use-guns-in-self-defense

All of which shatters the lie that armed citizens arent adequately trained or adequately armed or adequately prepared to intervene in the gravest extreme.
 
VanceMack said:
There are 106 actual instances of mass shootings. Keep in mind this is the criteria mass shootings are judged by and not the criteria the media applies which includes every gang shooting with multiple victims.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/
Its funny...you continue to bleat on in ignorance, regurgitate unfounded lies, but consider the actual facts you have been presented as 'inadequate'.

But since you want to include EVERY gang affiliated, crime or drug related shooting as a 'mass shooting, then dont we have to include ALL the instances where armed law abiding citizens have prevented ANY type of shooting? So we can look at the estimated range there as being anywhere from 200,000 to 2.5 MILLION times per year. But since most of those cant be verified if we go to an extreme low end we STILL find over 100,000 verifiable instances of law abiding citizens stopping violent crime.
https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/602143823/how-often-do-people-use-guns-in-self-defense

All of which shatters the lie that armed citizens arent adequately trained or adequately armed or adequately prepared to intervene in the gravest extreme.
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Did you even read that NPR article? You've tried to straw man this whole conversation about the effectiveness of teachers being armed into a conversation about everyone being armed all the time. And then presented an article that lends itself to my original premise.

You've straw manned yourself into self defeat nitpicking over a number.

I'm embarrassed for you.

from your article...

David Hemenway, who led the Harvard research, argues that the risks of owning a gun outweigh the benefits of having one in the rare case where you might need to defend yourself.
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My entire point about arming teachers...

So thanks for providing a quote from a Harvard professor that did an actual study, proving me right.

I don't think I can add anything further. I just can't. My god.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
Learn what it is...

I'm engaging with all these other people, calling them stupid, point by point breaking their arguments down. Why not you?

Ask yourself, is it because I've raised such a sterling point that can't be argued?
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LOLOLOL Did you read this ^^ before posting it?

Everyone else says you're wrong and dont even understand the issue enough to comprehend why you're wrong (that it's not a straw man)...but you post that?


I'll stick with paraphrasing Einstein then, "the definition of stupid is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."
 
Fledermaus said:
Hey look. A cowardly non answer.

Please fail again.

It is amusing.
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That poster displays zero ability to dispute any facts or even opinions that others are posting. It seems that he feels tantrums and rants will hide that fact that he's too uninformed on the issue to argue it properly. I dont even expect agreement...I'd just like to see some indication that he's got any foundation on the issue at all.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
Did you even read that NPR article? You've tried to straw man this whole conversation about the effectiveness of teachers being armed into a conversation about everyone being armed all the time. And then presented an article that lends itself to my original premise.

You've straw manned yourself into self defeat nitpicking over a number.

I'm embarrassed for you.

from your article...



My entire point about arming teachers...

So thanks for providing a quote from a Harvard professor that did an actual study, proving me right.

I don't think I can add anything further. I just can't. My god.
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Of course I read the article. I even offered the NPR article for a REASON, KNOWING that it would offer the lowest possible figure. If I offered the numbers from the Kleck study (2.5 million) you would have **** yourself. And to David Henneways opinion...he, like you, avoid the REALITY that even by their LOW estimate, 100,000 times a year law abiding citizens prevent violent crimes.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
Did you even read that NPR article? You've tried to straw man this whole conversation about the effectiveness of teachers being armed into a conversation about everyone being armed all the time. And then presented an article that lends itself to my original premise.

You've straw manned yourself into self defeat nitpicking over a number.

I'm embarrassed for you.

from your article...



My entire point about arming teachers...
David Hemenway, who led the Harvard research, argues that the risks of owning a gun outweigh the benefits of having one in the rare case where you might need to defend yourself.

So thanks for providing a quote from a Harvard professor that did an actual study, proving me right.

I don't think I can add anything further. I just can't. My god.
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You do realize that even if Hemenway's claim was true for society as a whole, it isn't true at the individual level for every person in the US.
 
Rucker61 said:
You do realize that even if Hemenway's claim was true for society as a whole, it isn't true at the individual level for every person in the US.
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Yep. Just apply that statement. So here I am in the rare case that I need a gun to defend myself. Let's say I have that gun. I'm really supposed to accept that the risk of me having it outweighs the benefit of having it even though I am in a situation where it is admitted that I need it? Just silly.
 
Rucker61 said:
If a shooter showed up at your child's school, presuming you have children, why is allowing the shooter 10-20 minutes free access to victims before the police show up and engage preferable to having trained, armed personnel already in the school who may be able to engage immediately?
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Why is allowing people the ability to buy guns so that they can go to a school and kill children a good state of affairs ?
 
Rich2018 said:
Why is allowing people the ability to buy guns so that they can go to a school and kill children a good state of affairs ?
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Why is allowing people the ability to buy cars so that they can go to a higheay and kill far more children than school shootings a good state of affairs?
 
Fledermaus said:
Why is allowing people the ability to buy cars so that they can go to a higheay and kill far more children than school shootings a good state of affairs?
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Well highways are the safest roads statistically

But yes you make a good point about road safety in the USA.


However card and now much safer to operate than they were 10-20 years ago.


The difference is of course that guns are designed to kill, cars are not. Cars are designed to transport people. My company couldn't exist without cars/trucks/vans.

It most definitely could exist without guns.


So the question remains, why are you OK with letting people buy guns that they can use to kill people with ?
 
Rich2018 said:
Well highways are the safest roads statistically

But yes you make a good point about road safety in the USA.


However card and now much safer to operate than they were 10-20 years ago.


The difference is of course that guns are designed to kill, cars are not. Cars are designed to transport people. My company couldn't exist without cars/trucks/vans.

It most definitely could exist without guns.


So the question remains, why are you OK with letting people buy guns that they can use to kill people with ?
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Cars are not designed to kill. Yet they do in numbers that exceed mass shootings and school shootings by tens of thousands...

Hmmmm

How can you stand by and condone such slaughter?
 
ThoughtEx. said:
More like something of an accident waiting to happen.

If going to work scares you so much you need a weapon, and you work with children, find another job.

You are not necessary, you do not need to be there, they have no choice. Some asshole figures out they just have to wait til your not paying attention and boom they have your gun and mowed down half the school.

Just the level of ignorance it takes to think anyone would applaud your idiotic decision.

I would pull my kid out of your school. And I think you should inform every student's parent in your school of your very irresponsible decision to risk their childrens lives, because of cowardice.

How would you handle this scenario? One of your students decides he wants to shoot up the school, his family doesn't own guns, but luckily he remembers you carry one to school everyday. He devises a simple plan to separate you from your gun. Now your hick logic doesn't account for that possibility because you have so much faith in your abilities, but this kid basically says look over there and takes your gun when you don't suspect it. Shoots you in the face, and then the rest of the students in the class.

Putting the instrument by which they would do the deed, in the classroom with them is the height, height, of stupidity.

"well thoughtex. your just an anti gun libtard der der derr" No I'm ****ing not, I'm just not as dumb as a bag of ****ing hammers. And as a parent who has actually lost a child, I will tell you this, if a kid ever gets your gun and shoots another kid. Or you are forced to defend yourself against a child and shoot them. Be looking for that parent to find you when you least expect it, and have your gun ready.
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This is because you are a the typical knee jerk type of hyperbolic anti gun gun warrior with no knowledge what so ever about the individual carrying the weapon.

You prove this with almost every post.
 
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