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    Re: What is the most efficient solution for gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yet through straw purchases, felons get guns all the time. very few prohibited persons buy guns from private citizens who are unaware that the buyer is a prohibited person. And many of those UBGC laws would demand a brother be forced to go to a dealer to have a check done if he wants to lend a sibling a firearm. No thanks-that sort of harassment is not something most of us can support

    Noticed that you said a GREAT START

    that's the problem-we never know where it will end
    So do you think people getting guns through straw purchases should be allowed?
    Someone being able to go outside the system to get a gun is no reason to not have universal background checks. Just because can go around the system is no reason to throw out the whole system.

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    Re: What is the most efficient solution for gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheMadKing View Post
    So do you think people getting guns through straw purchases should be allowed?
    Someone being able to go outside the system to get a gun is no reason to not have universal background checks. Just because can go around the system is no reason to throw out the whole system.
    We have background checks now.

    How would universal background checks stop people in a different way? Those that want guns acquire them by other means.
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    Re: What is the most efficient solution for gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    What makes you think they acquire them thru legal means? Every state has background checks in commercial gun stores. Stops few if any people that are motivated to acquire firearms.
    Hence the word, universal. Not just state or local background checks.

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    Re: What is the most efficient solution for gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheMadKing View Post
    So do you think people getting guns through straw purchases should be allowed?
    It's not "allowed". Straw purchases are felonies, with a $250,000 fine and 10 years imprisonment, if prosecuted and actually punished. Jalita Johnson bought a gun for her boyfriend who used it to murder a cop. She got probation.

    Someone being able to go outside the system to get a gun is no reason to not have universal background checks. Just because can go around the system is no reason to throw out the whole system.
    The reasons not to have universal background checks is that they are unenforceable without registration, easily bypassed by criminals, and create crimes of activities that do not represent any danger to society. If you want to give direct access to NICS to allow private sellers to screen buyers, I'd sign up for that.
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    Re: What is the most efficient solution for gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheMadKing View Post
    Hence the word, universal. Not just state or local background checks.
    That doesnt answer my question. What mechanism(s) specifically are different that would make universal bcs more effective? Current state bc checks use federal NCIS fingerprint database.
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    Re: What is the most efficient solution for gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheMadKing View Post
    Hence the word, universal. Not just state or local background checks.
    By "universal", you mean "not universal", as criminals selling guns will not require their customers to get background checks.
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    Re: What is the most efficient solution for gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheMadKing View Post
    This is something that has perplexed me to no end. Before arriving at an agreeable solution somethings must be hashed out. Why exactly do some people want gun control? Mass shootings or everyday crime? What is really preventing any reform? The upholding of the constitution or interest groups? After answering these questions...what does a solution to gun control actually look like and will it work?
    We dont need gun control, so its moot. What we need is violence control. And Im not sure how we solve that. Probably a combination of better parenting, societal punishment, and more liberty.

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    Re: What is the most efficient solution for gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    No, it is not. It is to punish law abiding citizens for the actions of a few criminals. It is to take guns away completely

    The 2nd amendment and the principles behind it are the reason for not doing it.

    Indeed they are. Lives that could have been saved, had a few simply things been done, such as putting steel doors on classrooms that the instructor can lock themselves from inside the room, install steel isolation drop doors that can be triggered from the office, stop allowing psychoquacks from prescribing mind altering drugs that induce suicidal and homicidal tendencies, get the mentally ill into treatment, get the drug users into treatment, aggressively deal with the drug dealers, since they are selling poisons as recreational drugs, and aggressively deal with gang activity (largely funded by drugs).

    WRONG. Quite a few gun control laws have been passed. They have had NO effect. Otherwise, you are correct.

    Punishing law abiding citizens for the actions of a few criminals is not going to solve any problem. It will CAUSE them.
    The 2nd amendment says that you have the right to own a gun (not to have zero restrictions guns btw) for the sake of organizing a militia. What militia are you apart of?

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    Re: What is the most efficient solution for gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheMadKing View Post
    The 2nd amendment says that you have the right to own a gun (not to have zero restrictions guns btw) for the sake of organizing a militia. What militia are you apart of?
    Actually, that's not what it says. It says that because a militia is necessary for the security of a free state, the government is not empowered to restrict the arms of the People. Congress has full power over who gets to be in a militia, and what they can be armed with. The Second can't protect the arms of the militia.

    Also, see 10 USC 246.
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