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Gov Northam's agenda

RaleBulgarian said:
I’m not sure of how much value there would be in a gun registry. I only posed possible benefits.

As for the cop in the field, any information is useful.
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I worked as a police officer, and the information you get is dodgy most of the time anyway.
 
Rucker61 said:
It is not the responsibility of the citizenry to make the cops' jobs easier.
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You sure you want to stand by this ^^? Is that what you teach your kids? Not me.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Yes but you wouldn't have that knowledge if they had guns there that were unregistered.

I'm not arguing that if knew the future before it happened that it would be an extreme advantage I'm arguing that just because there's a law that requires people to do something doesn't mean they're going to do it. Keep in mind there is already a law against domestic violence sense you're going to a situation where there's domestic violence you know these people don't obey the law.

the cop that runs in there and says oh there's no registered guns at this residence that's the cop that gets shot by an unregistered gun.

let's take for instance the state of New York that has gun registry. How many guns involved in crime are registered to the criminal using it? If you wanted to get away with a crime with a gun, and you owned a gun and you had it registered would you use that gun that's registered to you or would you find one that's registered to someone else or not registered at all?

Think about these two points and you'll see why a registry is worthless for anything other than confiscation.
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CLAX1911 said:
I worked as a police officer, and the information you get is dodgy most of the time anyway.
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Ya know, Clax, I agree with pretty much everything you’re saying here ^^, and as for the registry discussion, you could be right too. Maybe some cops wouldn’t want to be told and others would. Like I already said, I was posing possible benefits.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
You sure you want to stand by this ^^? Is that what you teach your kids? Not me.
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So you wouldn't require a search warrant for the police to search your house at any time? Should the Miranda warning be optional?

The cops can lie to you, legally. They can testify against you in court with the results of your conversation with them, but they cannot testify for you in court with the results of your conversation. The citizens have no legal responsibility to make the job of the police force easier.
 
Rucker61 said:
So you wouldn't require a search warrant for the police to search your house at any time? Should the Miranda warning be optional?

The cops can lie to you, legally. They can testify against you in court with the results of your conversation with them, but they cannot testify for you in court with the results of your conversation. The citizens have no legal responsibility to make the job of the police force easier.
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Big difference between facilitating illegal actions and supporting police doing their job honorably. Or are you asserting all cops are corrupt?
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Ya know, Clax, I agree with pretty much everything you’re saying here ^^, and as for the registry discussion, you could be right too. Maybe some cops wouldn’t want to be told and others would. Like I already said, I was posing possible benefits.
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Well, I respect that you are trying to find a benefit for it, but it's a real stretch.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Big difference between facilitating illegal actions and supporting police doing their job honorably. Or are you asserting all cops are corrupt?
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I'm not saying that you can't support cops doing their job. I'm saying that you have no legal responsibility to help them. You are free to allow them to search your house without a warrant, and that is not an illegal action by the police. The very existence of the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments are obstacles to the police doing their job.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Well, I respect that you are trying to find a benefit for it, but it's a real stretch.
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Fair enough, and to be clear, I am not promoting requiring firearms registration.
 
Rucker61 said:
I'm not saying that you can't support cops doing their job. I'm saying that you have no legal responsibility to help them. You are free to allow them to search your house without a warrant, and that is not an illegal action by the police. The very existence of the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments are obstacles to the police doing their job.
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^^ An expanded explanation, not implied as part of your post that began the current back and forth.
RaleBulgarian said:
As for the cop in the field, any information is useful.
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Rucker61 said:
It is not the responsibility of the citizenry to make the cops' jobs easier.
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apdst said:
Because the people who write these laws don't give two ****s about your civil rights. They see The Constitution as an obstacle.
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Yes they do, they just don't think owning a gun should be one of them.


And yes, the Constitution is an obstacle to this.


The Constitution was an obstacle to ending prohibition - does that mean prohibition shouldn't have been ended even though ending it had majority public support ?
 
Rich2018 said:
Yes they do, they just don't think owning a gun should be one of them.


And yes, the Constitution is an obstacle to this.


The Constitution was an obstacle to ending prohibition - does that mean prohibition shouldn't have been ended even though ending it had majority public support ?
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What they think is irrelevant. That's why The Constitution was constructed as it is. To keep mother****ers from forcing their beliefs upon other citizens.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Without having the proposed law available to reference, my wag is if law enforcement comes across a lost/stolen weapon used in the commission of a crime they’d track down the registered owner and if the owner knew the firearm was missing, but chose not to report it, they’d have some splainin to do.
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My father sold a gun to his next door neighbor. The new owner was in FL for the winter and the gun was stolen from his car and used in a murder in Apalachicola. One night when I was visiting the door bell rang and when I answered it 2 guys in gray suits and Marine-type haircuts showed me their ATF badges. They politely listened as my dad explained the law at the time. So, yeah, they track down the original owner who has some 'splainin to do. Dad had a copy of the check, the serial#, photo of the gun and a signed and notarized affidavit regarding the sale.
 
Parrish said:
My father sold a gun to his next door neighbor. The new owner was in FL for the winter and the gun was stolen from his car and used in a murder in Apalachicola. One night when I was visiting the door bell rang and when I answered it 2 guys in gray suits and Marine-type haircuts showed me their ATF badges. They politely listened as my dad explained the law at the time. So, yeah, they track down the original owner who has some 'splainin to do. Dad had a copy of the check, the serial#, photo of the gun and a signed and notarized affidavit regarding the sale.
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Your dad is a smart man.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Good thing your dad thought ahead about possibilities and had his ducks in a row.
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yeah it is best to cover your ass. I will only sell to dealers (or use consignment services where the dealer does the paper work) or people I know have clean records-such as cops, DAs or people I have seen pass a background check or have a CCW. I wish the ATF would do that sort of investigation as to straw purchasers
 
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