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Man Crashes Car into Tokyo Crowd

Rich2018 said:
So you're SURE that had this Japanese kid been able to get hold of a gun...or if a similar incident happened in the USA but with a gun not a car, then:


All the victims would survive ? (because people survive gunshot wounds)


That there would be fewer casualties ?
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Yes, see post #75.
 
holbritter said:
I didn't say any of that. I'm saying people normally aren't as concerned with what object/objects their loved ones are hurt or killed with, as that they are hurt/killed to begin with. If he used a gun, my first thought would not be "OMG that gun hurt/killed my child". It would be "OMG that sick bastard hurt/killed my child".

The difference between us is I tend to blame the person, regardless of the tool. I'm into personal responsibility like that, and I know it's not trendy, but that's how I am.
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I would like to see Rich2018 go to all the families of the dead victims of violent crimes that didn't involve guns and tell them that at least their loved ones weren't killed with guns.
 
Rich2018 said:
Have you informed the Dept of Defense about this ?

Get the marines to hand in those obsolete, inefficient guns....
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The marines and all of the armed forces do most damage with bombs, aircraft, tanks, long range missiles, ect. not with small arms.
 
Rich2018 said:
He is a 21 year old kid and acting on his own. And yes it could've been an impulsive act - but probably not. Attacks like these tend not to be.


Japan has a lot of small cars because space is tight and gas is expensive.


How do you know you could get a US sized truck through the nearby streets ? How do you know if he could rent a truck ?


The Boston bombings weren't well planned...

The MAGA bomber didn't plan very well.


The point is that had he had the same kind of access to guns as a US 21 year old has...it probably would have been a lot more bloody.
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He could've bought gasoline and lit up a club or other public venue and killed tons of people.
 
Rich2018 said:
Criminals using guns in an illegal manner ???

Hmmm...are you sure that they do ?

Do you have any evidence to back this claim up....other than the fact that owning a gun is a crime if you're a convicted felon.


While you're at it, how about giving us your opinion on how we can keep people who use guns illegally from possessing them ?
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By having it so that its illegal to own guns if you're a convicted felon, as you say so yourself.


Rich2018 said:
And once you've completed that simple task, how about explaining how you'd stop people, who will use them illegally in the future, from owning guns ?
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How do you stop people who currently aren't criminals but who will commit crime in the future, from committing crime? Maybe everybody should be put in prison because they "might" commit crime.


Rich2018 said:
Guns are bad.
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Maybe for you they are, you can't say they're bad for other people.


Rich2018 said:
People shouldn't have them.
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Its up to you to decide you shouldn't have them. As for what other people should or shouldn't have is not your call, is outside your authority, and is none of your business.
 
Rich2018 said:
But guns, despite what you say, are by far the most lethal and are readily available in the USA (for individuals acting alone like these two).
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Nope, bombs and arson is more lethal than guns.
 
Rich2018 said:
You're trying to include terrorist attacks aren't you ?


Organized attacks by terrorist groups...not attacks that a 21 year old kid acting alone might manage.
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The Merriam Webster dictionary defines terrorism as "the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion."

So therefore, just about any violent crime where multiple people are targeted, including the attack of a 21 year old acting alone that you brought up, could be called terrorism.
 
Rich2018 said:
Actually the USA has not "always had lots of guns"
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Sure it has, ever since the Revolutionary War.

Rich2018 said:
Always having lots of guns is not something we have to accept...despite how defeatist you seem to be
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But its something we want to accept, at least I and many others want to accept it.
 
Rich2018 said:
Now if you ram a vehicle into a crowd, chances are you're going to be caught....same when people attack a crowd or crowded area like a mall or school
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If you shoot into a crowd chances are you're going to get caught, your point?
 
Rucker61 said:
Yes. Overturn Miller, Heller, McDonald and Caetano and amend the Constitution to remove the Second Amendment.
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Can't happen. The 2nd Amendment cannot be removed as its part of the BOR.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Can't happen. The 2nd Amendment cannot be removed as its part of the BOR.
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You are mistaken, most items in the Constitution can be changed/removed. Those items that can’t be are strictly enumerated.

Unlikely, very much so, but still possible.


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Rich2018 said:
Why would disarming gun owners by bloody - they are, after all, law abiding.
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If we were to have the kind of gun bans you suggest, they would cease to be law abiding.

Rich2018 said:
If guns were banned, people would (reluctantly) hand them in.
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Just as George Washington and his men did in the Revolutionary War, NOT!
 
Rich2018 said:
Gun ownership (not the total number of guns) is actually falling in the USA
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Nope its rising. It particularly rose during the Obama administration, especially among women.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
You are mistaken, most items in the Constitution can be changed/removed. Those items that can’t be are strictly enumerated.

Unlikely, very much so, but still possible.


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Unlike the rest of the Constitution, the BOR which is the first 10 amendments, is not supposed to be removed or messed with.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Unlike the rest of the Constitution, the BOR which is the first 10 amendments, is not supposed to be removed or messed with.
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Sorry, you are inventing that. If someone wants to repeal the 3rd Amendment, the Amendment process is very well spelled out. Same for any Amendment.


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AliHajiSheik said:
Sorry, you are inventing that. If someone wants to repeal the 3rd Amendment, the Amendment process is very well spelled out. Same for any Amendment.


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I suppose that could happen. I also suppose the President could have his term extended so that he's in office for life and he could be made from President into King.
 
DebateChallenge said:
I suppose that could happen. I also suppose the President could have his term extended so that he's in office for life and he could be made from President into King.
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Perhaps you have some fondness for the 3rd Amendment. You said that the Bill of Rights was not supposed to be "removed or messed with". If that were the case, the restriction could have been added to the Constitution.

What is likely to happen, I expressed my opinion. Presidents have no involvement in Amendments, just more stuff you made up.
 
Rich2018 said:
I checked and gun ownership is actually falling - note: that's the number of gun owners, NOT the number of guns.
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As I said, particularly among women, lots of people are becoming first time gun owners. And if you checked, what is your source?
 
Rich2018 said:
I checked and gun ownership is actually falling - note: that's the number of gun owners, NOT the number of guns.
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Checked with whom? There is no database.
 
Rich2018 said:
I checked and gun ownership is actually falling - note: that's the number of gun owners, NOT the number of guns.
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so the frantic cries for more gun control designed to whittle down gun ownership is not needed
 
AliHajiSheik said:
Sorry, you are inventing that. If someone wants to repeal the 3rd Amendment, the Amendment process is very well spelled out. Same for any Amendment.


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Just out of curiosity who would remove it?
 
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