Man Crashes Car into Tokyo Crowd

zsu2357 · Jan 9, 2019

Rich2018 said:
I checked and gun ownership is actually falling - note: that's the number of gun owners, NOT the number of guns.

MMM yes I think the number of guns figure into it. Let us create the scenario where I say own 12 rifles (4 but who's counting) and SHTF I would equip friends,since most of my extended family is armed. So numbers can count.

zsu2357 · Jan 9, 2019

AliHajiSheik said:
Perhaps you have some fondness for the 3rd Amendment. You said that the Bill of Rights was not supposed to be "removed or messed with". If that were the case, the restriction could have been added to the Constitution.
Depending on the reason I would not have a problem housing a soldier. But I think you hit 3 instead of 2.:doh

DebateChallenge · Jan 9, 2019

AliHajiSheik said:
Perhaps you have some fondness for the 3rd Amendment. You said that the Bill of Rights was not supposed to be "removed or messed with". If that were the case, the restriction could have been added to the Constitution.

I have a fondness for all the amendments in the BOR.

AliHajiSheik said:
What is likely to happen, I expressed my opinion. Presidents have no involvement in Amendments, just more stuff you made up.

Of course presidents don't have involvement in amendments, and they're not supposed to. I was pointing out that with a corrupt government just about anything can happen no matter how much it might go against the Constitution, and the way our government is set up with checks and balances the idea is to safeguard against corruption but there always will be some corruption no matter what.

DebateChallenge · Jan 9, 2019

Rucker61 said:
Checked with whom? There is no database.

Exactly. Since we've got no national registry of who owns what guns. So how can you know how many gun owners there are in the USA? Polls? Polls are often inaccurate especially if they're based on small samples.

DebateChallenge · Jan 9, 2019

zsu2357 said:
AliHajiSheik said:

Depending on the reason I would not have a problem housing a soldier. But I think you hit 3 instead of 2.:doh

Click to expand...

If you want to house a soldier that's your prerogative, but it should not be mandatory.

AliHajiSheik · Jan 10, 2019

DebateChallenge said:
I have a fondness for all the amendments in the BOR.

Of course presidents don't have involvement in amendments, and they're not supposed to. I was pointing out that with a corrupt government just about anything can happen no matter how much it might go against the Constitution, and the way our government is set up with checks and balances the idea is to safeguard against corruption but there always will be some corruption no matter what.

Sorry, not interested in your tangent. The Bill of Rights can be changed through the Amendment process.

The Constitution has held up quite well over these soon to be 230 years.

AliHajiSheik · Jan 10, 2019

zsu2357 said:
Just out of curiosity who would remove it?

I suppose soldiers needing a place to sleep. I just threw out the 3rd as an example and as the least controversial amendment in the Bill of Rights.

DebateChallenge · Jan 10, 2019

AliHajiSheik said:
Sorry, not interested in your tangent. The Bill of Rights can be changed through the Amendment process.

And if it is there would be a tremendous backlash, could very well result in a civil war.

AliHajiSheik · Jan 10, 2019

DebateChallenge said:
And if it is there would be a tremendous backlash, could very well result in a civil war.

That is what we generally are experiencing now. Through selective interpretation of any of the Constitution, particularly the Bill of Rights, to some degree the Constitution has been Amended--for good or ill.

You can't shout fire in a crowded movie theater because interpretation has "abridg[ed] the freedom of speech".

The 5th Amendment has been violated through interpretation which governments have used eminent domain to take private property for private use.

The 7th Amendment could reasonably be changed so that the $20 threshold for a jury trial could be increased.

The 9th and 10th Amendments barely even apply through selective interpretation.

Our current civil war is because we haven't followed the amendment process.

Rich2018 · Jan 13, 2019

zsu2357 said:
MMM yes I think the number of guns figure into it. Let us create the scenario where I say own 12 rifles (4 but who's counting) and SHTF I would equip friends,since most of my extended family is armed. So numbers can count.

And your point ?

Rucker61 · Jan 13, 2019

zsu2357 said:
MMM yes I think the number of guns figure into it. Let us create the scenario where I say own 12 rifles (4 but who's counting) and SHTF I would equip friends,since most of my extended family is armed. So numbers can count.

If I have 20 guns, and the government bans all of my guns, how many do I have? 37, I lied about the 20.

Rich2018 · Jan 13, 2019

Rucker61 said:
If I have 20 guns, and the government bans all of my guns, how many do I have? 37, I lied about the 20.

If you made $250,000 last year but lied about it and said you only made $50,000.....what happens ?

Rucker61 · Jan 13, 2019

Rich2018 said:
If you made $250,000 last year but lied about it and said you only made $50,000.....what happens ?

Ah, so you know the difference between the government knowing how much I made and not knowing how many guns I have.

Do the drug dealers report their income, or is the government ignorant of that amount?

Rich2018 · Jan 14, 2019

Rucker61 said:
Ah, so you know the difference between the government knowing how much I made and not knowing how many guns I have....

You didn't answer the question, what happens if you lie about your income to the US government (the IRS) ?

Then answer what would happen if guns were illegal in the USA and you only handed in half of the ones you owned ?

I await your answer(s).

...do the drug dealers report their income, or is the government ignorant of that amount?

Excuse 3a again

There are too many guns to locate and seize them all.

If you outlaw guns, the only people with guns will be outlaws

Guns don't kill people...people kill people.

Yes criminals will hang on to their guns and they will be seized as they're arrested. Gradually the number of guns illegally held will fall as criminals will run out of sources for guns and run out of sources for ammunition

It will take years, decades even before US gun ownership levels reach British levels.

The finally we may have just one mass shooting per DECADE, rather than almost one mass shooting per DAY.

Rucker61 · Jan 14, 2019

Rich2018 said:
You didn't answer the question, what happens if you lie about your income to the US government (the IRS) ?

People lie about their income all the time to the IRS, and nothing happens to them because of it.

Then answer what would happen if guns were illegal in the USA and you only handed in half of the ones you owned ?

I await your answer(s).

Nothing would happen to me.

Did you ever answer this question: Are you truly afraid for your life because of guns while living here in the US?

DebateChallenge · Jan 14, 2019

Rich2018 said:
You didn't answer the question, what happens if you lie about your income to the US government (the IRS) ?

You might or might not be slapped with tax evasion. People under report their income all the time. There is some income that is untraceable, its called being paid under the table.

Rich2018 said:
Then answer what would happen if guns were illegal in the USA and you only handed in half of the ones you owned ?

See above.

American · Jan 15, 2019

Rich2018 said:
Car slams into crowded New Year's celebrations in Tokyo, injuring nine, as 21-year-old man with 'intent to murder' tells police the attack was a protest at capital punishment

"Nine people have been injured, one seriously, after a man deliberately plowed his car into crowds celebrating New Year's Eve along a famous Tokyo street.

A man identified as 21-year-old Kazuhiro Kusakabe drove a small vehicle into Take****a Street in Tokyo's fashion district of Harajuku just after midnight.

Police say he acted with an 'intent to murder'. Local media said the suspect had initially described the incident as an 'act of terror' but later said the attack was in retaliation for capital punishment without giving more details."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-car-New-Years-Eve-crowds-intention-kill.html

Now why would he use a car to try and kill people. Surely it would be more effective to open fire with semi or full automatic rifles from a vantage point like Stephen Paddock did ?

Could it be Japan's gun control laws having a positive effect in saving lives ?

Talk about a leap to conclusions, wow!

Rich2018 · Jan 15, 2019

American said:
Talk about a leap to conclusions, wow!

Those willing to commit mass murder will always find a way to explain it

Rich2018 · Jan 15, 2019

Rucker61 said:
People lie about their income all the time to the IRS, and nothing happens to them because of it....

The jails are full of people who thought that

I would advise against lying about your income

...nothing would happen to me...

Excuse # 3b

People in the UK go to prison if caught with an illegal firearm

If guns were banned in the USA, so would you.

...did you ever answer this question: Are you truly afraid for your life because of guns while living here in the US?

The chance is still small since I don't go to school or attend church it's even smaller.

I've been in a bar here in peaceful Gwinnett county when some guy tried to pick a fight with two other guys...the police were called and thankfully arrived pretty quickly and escorted him out.

What if he'd had a gun though ?

Seven mass shootings already in 2019 and we're only on day 15.

DebateChallenge · Jan 16, 2019

Rich2018 said:
The jails are full of people who thought that

I would advise against lying about your income

Ever been paid under the table?

Rich2018 said:
Excuse # 3b

People in the UK go to prison if caught with an illegal firearm

If guns were banned in the USA, so would you.

People get cocaine, heroin, and meth all the time in the USA, all of which are banned. Not everybody who gets and uses such substances goes to prison, some do but many don't.

Rich2018 said:
The chance is still small since I don't go to school or attend church it's even smaller.

What does going to school or church have to do with getting shot? You don't get shot by going to such places, not from my experience.

Rich2018 said:
I've been in a bar here in peaceful Gwinnett county when some guy tried to pick a fight with two other guys...the police were called and thankfully arrived pretty quickly and escorted him out.

Usually at bars its the bouncers that would escort out a patron who tries to pick fights and you wouldn't have to wait for them to arrive since they're already there. Bars have bouncers there on duty when they're open.

Rich2018 said:
What if he'd had a gun though ?

What if he had a bomb? What if he had gasoline and lit the bar up? Those cases are just as dangerous as if he had a gun if not more so. But yes there is the possibility that patrons at bars can be armed although some bars search you for weapons when you go in but since that is a possibility as you pointed out perhaps bouncers should be armed.

Rich2018 said:
Seven mass shootings already in 2019 and we're only on day 15.

Some of which have happened in places that have the strictest gun laws in the country.

Rich2018 · Jan 20, 2019

DebateChallenge said:
Ever been paid under the table?

Actually no, what's your point ?

Yes the "black economy" exists in all countries.

...people get cocaine, heroin, and meth all the time in the USA, all of which are banned. Not everybody who gets and uses such substances goes to prison, some do but many don't....

What are your figures for the number of drug dealers who go to jail against those that never do ?

And again what's your point ?

...what does going to school or church have to do with getting shot?

Churches and schools offer more vulnerable targets

...usually at bars its the bouncers that would escort out a patron who tries to pick fights and you wouldn't have to wait for them to arrive since they're already there. Bars have bouncers there on duty when they're open....

I was in a bar today, there were no bouncers

I guess I go to different bars than you do

In fact I can't remember the last time I was at a bar that had bouncers

Again, what point are you trying to make ?

...what if he had a bomb?

Do you know any bomb stores in your area ?

I mean they're kinda hard to buy...bombs

Now guns, hell there are any number of gun stores within 15-20 miles of my house.

No bomb stores though.

...some of which have happened in places that have the strictest gun laws in the country.

Just showing that gun control is just half measures unless the 2nd amendment is repealed and REAL gun control laws are passed.

DebateChallenge · Jan 21, 2019

Rich2018 said:
Actually no, what's your point ?

Yes the "black economy" exists in all countries.

My point is that it is quite common for people to not pay taxes on money they make, not when they're being paid under the table which happens all the time.

Rich2018 said:
What are your figures for the number of drug dealers who go to jail against those that never do ?

Do you have numbers?

Rich2018 said:
And again what's your point ?

My point is that just as not all drug dealers and drug users go to jail for dealing and using illegal drugs, neither will all gun owners/users in your dream world scenario where guns are outlawed.

Rich2018 said:
Churches and schools offer more vulnerable targets

Fortunately that will change when they allow armed faculty, staff, and security in such places which they're already doing. But there are many other places that also offer just as vulnerable targets, malls, beaches, sports stadiums, if such places don't have armed security which is also changing.

Rich2018 said:
I was in a bar today, there were no bouncers

I guess I go to different bars than you do

In fact I can't remember the last time I was at a bar that had bouncers

Many bars do have bouncers, including the bartender. Often the bartender will double as a bouncer. Many of the bars I've been to card you when you come in, the person carding you is a bouncer.

Rich2018 said:
Again, what point are you trying to make ?

That having armed bouncers can help stop people who try to shoot up or bomb bars.

Rich2018 said:
Do you know any bomb stores in your area ?

I mean they're kinda hard to buy...bombs

Most bombs are homemade and the materials to make them aren't hard to get. Supplies you can get at a supermarket can be used to make a bomb that can blow up a building.

Rich2018 said:
Now guns, hell there are any number of gun stores within 15-20 miles of my house.

No bomb stores though.

You chose to move to a place where guns are common, whose fault is that?

Rich2018 said:
Just showing that gun control is just half measures unless the 2nd amendment is repealed and REAL gun control laws are passed.

Which, as you said so yourself, can't happen.

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