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An interesting read concerning the predicted DNC push for gun control

Xelor said:
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Be that as it may, to the extent the measures that pass align with overall national popular sentiments, it puts senators in a precarious position, especially McConnell if he doesn't allow the measure onto the floor for a vote.
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If it aligned with overall popular sentiment then people would elect state in the federal government's that would be willing to amend the Constitution. I think this is a case of overinflation of the popularity of something then the desire to circumvent democracy in order to ram unpopular legislation down people's throats.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
This isn't a "pro-rights" vs. "anti-rights" question. Virtually all mainstream politicians on both sides support the fundamental right of law-abiding Americans to own guns. However ALL rights have limits, and you're one of the fringe radicals that believes that gun ownership should have no rules whatsoever and a complete free-for-all. You automatically attack ANY gun regulation at the federal level as a fundamental violation of our rights, with no consideration of what is actually being proposed.
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no I think people know pretty well with what's being proposed. Are you have some ideas about regulation that I would love to see implemented. And I find it hard to think there's people that would disagree with it.

But trying to ban scary scary bang-bang's or super ultra mega death stocks has no common sense anywhere near it.

The American people as a whole understand that all rights do have limits and should be regulated to some degree, and luckily over the past few decades we've taken more and more steps towards that. Most Americans disagree with you that violent criminals should have unfettered access to machine guns. This is a battle you're losing, and your hysterical fear-mongering isn't making you look more credible.
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It's a product you talk about hysterics and you think that someone believes violent criminals should have unfettered access to machine guns.
 
CLAX1911 said:
no I think people know pretty well with what's being proposed. Are you have some ideas about regulation that I would love to see implemented. And I find it hard to think there's people that would disagree with it.

But trying to ban scary scary bang-bang's or super ultra mega death stocks has no common sense anywhere near it.


It's a product you talk about hysterics and you think that someone believes violent criminals should have unfettered access to machine guns.
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There are many people on this thread and this forum who are opposed to ALL gun regulations. If you are opposed to the very concept of background checks and regulations, yes, you are saying you want criminals to have unfettered access to machine guns. What would stop them if they could walk into any store and buy one, no questions asked? You can disagree with what I say, but you absolutely can not pretend there aren't a **** ton of conservatives who want it that way.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
There are many people on this thread and this forum who are opposed to ALL gun regulations.
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yeah and I've heard that there is Nazis and racists everywhere and that the world is flat and that we didn't really land on the moon but I don't buy it.

If you are opposed to the very concept of background checks and regulations, yes, you are saying you want criminals to have unfettered access to machine guns.
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that's a false cause.

What would stop them if they could walk into any store and buy one, no questions asked?
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same thing that happens every single time is criminal buys a gun with current background check laws. they just don't buy from people who do background checks.

You can disagree with what I say, but you absolutely can not pretend there aren't a **** ton of conservatives who want it that way.
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I'm sorry it's that way now and you can make the strictest most ridiculous background checks imaginable and the criminals will get the guns the same way they do now.

Seems like it complete lack of common sense to me, seems we should be focusing on stopping at criminals from getting guns illegally rather than ****ing with people who go about it the right way.

But what do I know.
 
CLAX1911 said:
yeah and I've heard that there is Nazis and racists everywhere and that the world is flat and that we didn't really land on the moon but I don't buy it.
that's a false cause.
same thing that happens every single time is criminal buys a gun with current background check laws. they just don't buy from people who do background checks.
I'm sorry it's that way now and you can make the strictest most ridiculous background checks imaginable and the criminals will get the guns the same way they do now.
Seems like it complete lack of common sense to me, seems we should be focusing on stopping at criminals from getting guns illegally rather than ****ing with people who go about it the right way.
But what do I know.
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Haha, see, you're denying they exist but doing it yourself. Your argument is that all regulation is so bad that we just shouldn't do it. Yeah, a criminal has to illegally buy a gun from someone's trunk, so we might as well just let them do it at Walmart! If you have any other brilliant solutions you're free to post them here.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Haha, see, you're denying they exist but doing it yourself. Your argument is that all regulation is so bad that we just shouldn't do it.
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Bull ****

Yeah, a criminal has to illegally buy a gun from someone's trunk, so we might as well just let them do it at Walmart!
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No we should stop them without ****ing with those that abide by the law.
If you have any other brilliant solutions you're free to post them here.
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You give me too much credit. Not ****ing with law abiding citizens in order to catch criminals it's just the most basic of common sense.

Don't be so brainwashed this isn't about crime it's about ****ing with people that oppose democrats.

It seems really pointless to start this but if you want to go after criminals and crime you don't focus on law abiding citizens. Duh.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Bull ****

No we should stop them without ****ing with those that abide by the law. You give me too much credit. Not ****ing with law abiding citizens in order to catch criminals it's just the most basic of common sense.

Don't be so brainwashed this isn't about crime it's about ****ing with people that oppose democrats.

It seems really pointless to start this but if you want to go after criminals and crime you don't focus on law abiding citizens. Duh.
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Uh huh. We "stop them". How do we do that chief? Without any laws, regulations or constraints on gun purchasing, how does the government prevent convicted violent criminals from getting machine guns? And what legal basis do they do that if all regulation is freedom theft? Be specific about your plan.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Uh huh. We "stop them". How do we do that chief?
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will you most certainly don't do it by ****ing with people who abide by the law. To think otherwise he's just profoundly ignorant.

Without any laws, regulations or constraints on gun purchasing, how does the government prevent convicted violent criminals from getting machine guns?
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machine guns aren't very common and they're very expensive and most of them are collector's items. So it's not like they can just buy these things on the street. and that has nothing to do with what government did.
And what legal basis do they do that if all regulation is freedom theft? Be specific about your plan.
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I didn't say all regulation was Freedom theft so nice straw man.
 
CLAX1911 said:
will you most certainly don't do it by ****ing with people who abide by the law. To think otherwise he's just profoundly ignorant.

machine guns aren't very common and they're very expensive and most of them are collector's items. So it's not like they can just buy these things on the street. and that has nothing to do with what government did. I didn't say all regulation was Freedom theft so nice straw man.
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So you have no arguments on how it could be better and no points to make, you just wanted to make sure I know that you hate all gun regulations while telling me that I shouldn't act like there are conservatives who hate all gun regulations.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
So you have no arguments on how it could be better and no points to make,
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Well it was never part of my argument that it could be better. And just because you can't counter a good point doesn't mean it's non existent.

My point was, ****ing with law abiding citizens doesn't do anything to curb crime.

you just wanted to make sure I know that you hate all gun regulations while telling me that I shouldn't act like there are conservatives who hate all gun regulations.
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There are regulations on guns that I do support.

Do you not read?
 
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