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Does the NRA defend the gun rights of African Americans?

I call BS on that. Do you think a cop who panicked is going to first think -WHAT WOULD THE NRA want me to do?

The interesting by-product of this conversation is that YM's position requires him to accept that the RKBA is an individual right, protected by the Second Amendment.
 
Okay, but if there is a danger to black gun owners from militarized police, should the NRA not try to look into it at least?

No more than the American Dental Association should "look into" it. As I stated before, this premise has little to do with gun rights (the focus of the NRA), this has to do with your assertion that the police are unlawfully depriving black people of their right to life, without due process (guaranteed by the 5th Amendment). Organizations such as NAACP (who focus on violations of all civil rights for black people) or ACLU (who focus on all civil rights. Well, all civil rights except the Right to Keep and Bear Arms) would be expected to respond to this issue. NRA not so much.

Turtle Dude wants to attack me and my sources, but am I wrong? Do current police methods curtail gun rights for black people and does the NRA turn a blind eye to it?

I can't speak for Turtle Dude, and I don't know as I would categorize his refutations as "attacks". In any case, I agree that some police (not all) improperly curtail the right to life. The NRA is likely to speak out when there is a direct attack on the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. If the police had attempted to take black people's guns away (as happened in New Orleans a few years ago), I think the NRA would raise a stink.
 
I call BS on that. Do you think a cop who panicked is going to first think -WHAT WOULD THE NRA want me to do?

And why in the world would black people want to buy guns after hearing about cases like Castile and Roberson? Guns seem to make them less safe on every level.

And this "its not NRA's job to deal with these cases" seems like buck passing to me. Why should black people buy guns if the cops will use that as a reason to shoot them, Fox News will take the cops side and the NRA will remain silent?
 
And why in the world would black people want to buy guns after hearing about cases like Castile and Roberson? Guns seem to make them less safe on every level.

And this "its not NRA's job to deal with these cases" seems like buck passing to me. Why should black people buy guns if the cops will use that as a reason to shoot them, Fox News will take the cops side and the NRA will remain silent?

you're an NRA hater-tell us what you think an organization you despise and to which you don't belong should do. Isn't that something us members should worry about-not you
 
And why in the world would black people want to buy guns after hearing about cases like Castile and Roberson? Guns seem to make them less safe on every level.

Some black people buy guns for self defense. Some black people buy guns as insurance against tyranny. Some black people buy guns for sporting purposes. The list goes on and on. All gun buyers have different motivations.

Even if I were to assume your assertion is correct ("...Guns seem to make them less safe on every level"), not everyone (which includes people of all races) rates "safety" as high on the priority list as you evidently do. Personally, I like the fact that carrying a gun gives me more options than I would otherwise have. Do those options make me less or more safe? Don't know, and don't much care; I'll take "more options" over "less options" any day in the matter of self defense.

And this "its not NRA's job to deal with these cases" seems like buck passing to me.

Your opinion noted. As I mentioned earlier, the NRA is pretty responsive to the wishes of their millions of members, who, through voting, set the direction of the organization. As a member, I personally don't have a problem with NRA focusing on RKBA instead of 5A. My practice is to support the 5A by donating to the ACLU. They do a pretty good job of it, considering how small they are.

Why should black people buy guns if the cops will use that as a reason to shoot them, Fox News will take the cops side and the NRA will remain silent?

I already mentioned some of the reasons black people buy guns. I suspect that most people who buy guns don't even consider Fox News, the NRA, or police malfeasance when they are making their purchase decision. Of course, if these things are important to you, you probably shouldn't buy one.
 
you're an NRA hater-tell us what you think an organization you despise and to which you don't belong should do. Isn't that something us members should worry about-not you

Brillant answer. As usual you have no real solutions to real problems and resort to name calling when you do not have an answer. Its pretty easy for you and the gun rights movement to wash their hands of this issue.

I am just a big meanie towards the NRA, just ignore the dafacto racial gun control program the right promotes and the NRA turns a blind to eye.
 
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Really.

I haven't seen every case commented on.

Because they want to take a blind eye to this issue, rather then insult their allies in the police unions and conservative media. They do not have to talk about every case, but talking about the trend would help. Can you name any cases like this they bothered to mention? You say they can't talk about every police shooting, can they talk about some at least?
 
Brillant answer. As usual you have no real solutions to real problems and resort to name calling when you do not havean answer. Its pretty easy for you and the gun rights movement to wash their hands of this issue.

I am just a big meanie towards the NRA, just ignore the dafacto racial gun control program the right promotes and the NRA turns a blind to eye.

lets get this straight

you hate the NRA

you started this thread trying to bash the NRA

you aren't a member of the NRA

you are mad that the NRA doesn't do something that you honestly don't care if it does or doesn't
all you care about is bashing the NRA

now if the NRA complained every time a cop shot a white guy with a gun and never when it was a black guy with a gun-you might have a sliver of an argument. but since this isn't the case you don't.

when the NRA gets involved in specific incidents involving police shooting-its almost always when stupid gun laws cause the killings.
 
Some black people buy guns for self defense. Some black people buy guns as insurance against tyranny. Some black people buy guns for sporting purposes. The list goes on and on. All gun buyers have different motivations.

Even if I were to assume your assertion is correct ("...Guns seem to make them less safe on every level"), not everyone (which includes people of all races) rates "safety" as high on the priority list as you evidently do. Personally, I like the fact that carrying a gun gives me more options than I would otherwise have. Do those options make me less or more safe? Don't know, and don't much care; I'll take "more options" over "less options" any day in the matter of self defense.



Your opinion noted. As I mentioned earlier, the NRA is pretty responsive to the wishes of their millions of members, who, through voting, set the direction of the organization. As a member, I personally don't have a problem with NRA focusing on RKBA instead of 5A. My practice is to support the 5A by donating to the ACLU. They do a pretty good job of it, considering how small they are.



I already mentioned some of the reasons black people buy guns. I suspect that most people who buy guns don't even consider Fox News, the NRA, or police malfeasance when they are making their purchase decision. Of course, if these things are important to you, you probably shouldn't buy one.

I am just saying I think gun ownership for black people is far more dangerous in American society then for white people due to these police shootings and its something people are not talking about enough.
 
I am just saying I think gun ownership for black people is far more dangerous in American society then for white people due to these police shootings and its something people are not talking about enough.

why do you think that is the case-and it has nothing to do with the NRA
 
lets get this straight

you hate the NRA

you started this thread trying to bash the NRA

you aren't a member of the NRA

you are mad that the NRA doesn't do something that you honestly don't care if it does or doesn't
all you care about is bashing the NRA

now if the NRA complained every time a cop shot a white guy with a gun and never when it was a black guy with a gun-you might have a sliver of an argument. but since this isn't the case you don't.

when the NRA gets involved in specific incidents involving police shooting-its almost always when stupid gun laws cause the killings.

Who says I have to be a member of a group to criticize it?

Fine, Daniel Shaver is white and he was shot by the cops for having a gun, did the NRA say anything about him? Where is his gun rights defenders? I just note that all the African American cases like this get the silent treatment, but if you want to bring in other cases, fine. Square this circle.

Your group is useless if it can only combat proposed laws, but will do nothing to fight unwritten rules that allow cops to shoot people because they may have guns.

How can the right say everyone should have a gun and then say its okay for the cops to shoot people for having guns? Because that seems like the big double standard here. Answer that if you dare or just dodge again and admit to everyone you cannot address this issue.
 
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Who says I have to be a member of a group to criticize it?

Fine, Daniel Shaver is white and he was shot by the cops for having a gun, did the NRA say anything about him? Where is his gun rights defenders? I just note that all the African American cases like this get the silent treatment, but if you want to bring in other cases, fine. Square this circle.

Your group is useless if it can only combat proposed laws, but will do nothing to fight unwritten rules that allow cops to shoot people because they may have guns.

How can the right say everyone should have a gun and then say its okay for the cops to shoot people for having guns? Because that seems like the double standard. Answer that if you dare or just dodge again and admit to everyone you cannot address this issue.

so much blatant lies in this nonsense

no one has said its ok for cops merely to shoot anyone for just having a gun

can you show the NRA complains about similar shootings of whites but not blacks?
 
I am just saying I think gun ownership for black people is far more dangerous in American society then for white people due to these police shootings and its something people are not talking about enough.

Afrolatino here, I don't feel any more in danger because I own my firearms. In fact I am more safe, given that I have used one in home defense.

As an NRA member, I don't care if they don't criticize police (enough) who engage in a bad shoot. I only care that they defend my rights. I also don't care WHY they defend my rights, "They're just a lobby for gun manufacturers" or whatever bull**** smear people who don't even support my 2A rights care to prattle on about.
 
Because they want to take a blind eye to this issue, rather then insult their allies in the police unions and conservative media. They do not have to talk about every case, but talking about the trend would help. Can you name any cases like this they bothered to mention? You say they can't talk about every police shooting, can they talk about some at least?

A whole lot of accusation going on....

If they don't comment on every issue (supposedly to avoid insulting "police unions and conservative media") why specifically would they comment on the two issues you raised?
 
I am just saying I think gun ownership for black people is far more dangerous in American society then for white people due to these police shootings and its something people are not talking about enough.

Lets see the numbers...

Cop vs. Black shooting compared to Black vs. Black.
 
Lets see the numbers...

Cop vs. Black shooting compared to Black vs. Black.

where is the NAACP or other leftwing groups going on about this? How about the ACLU
 
why do you think that is the case-and it has nothing to do with the NRA

Structural racism and police militarization. The NRA will look away if their allies promote this stuff, your gun rights mean nothing if they disappear when a cop shows up and the NRA will say boo about it.
 
where is the NAACP or other leftwing groups going on about this? How about the ACLU

Do right wingers respect those groups? If more people on the right spoke out against this issue, maybe that would move the needle. Because it seems like right wingers will just ignore them.
 
Your group is useless if it can only combat proposed laws, but will do nothing to fight unwritten rules that allow cops to shoot people because they may have guns.

Your opinion noted. Personally, I find it quite useful to have an organization that is mostly devoted to combatting anti-gun laws. They have been reasonably effective in that task, in part because, politically, they are largely a single-issue organization. I do realize that not everyone agrees with my position, but such is individualism.

How can the right say everyone should have a gun....

You will have to be more specific. Exactly who is "the right" of whom you speak? In any case, I only hear comedians and other crazies saying "everyone should have a gun". What I hear pro-gun activists saying is that anyone should be able to buy a gun. The choice is up to the individual.

...and then say its okay for the cops to shoot people for having guns?

Be more specific. My opinion is that it's OK for a cop to shoot a person for a number of valid reasons, one of which is self defense against an armed adversary who is intent on harming the officer or an innocent civilian. Now, if "the right" were to say something like, "...it is OK for any cop to kill any black/brown/white/green/purple person, solely for the reason that they have a gun", then I will need to see a citation. I don't recall hearing such claims, and if they were uttered by anyone other than a known loon, I speculate that the NRA would not support them.
 
Does the NRA defend the gun rights of African Americans?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...catch-22-for-black-men-shot-by-police/570124/

https://www.history.com/news/black-panthers-gun-control-nra-support-mulford-act

https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/zmgma4/racial-resentment-is-in-the-nras-dna-data-finds

Why is the NRA silent in cases like Philando Castile? Or what about this case?

https://www.themarysue.com/a-good-with-a-gun-killed/

How can gun rights apply to African Americans if right wingers will support militarized police when they shoot African Americans because ''they might have a gun''?

Does the ''good guy with a gun'' get applied to African Americans by the NRA or Fox News or any right-wing outlet?

It isn't legal for police to shoot people because they might have a gun.
 
Structural racism and police militarization. The NRA will look away if their allies promote this stuff, your gun rights mean nothing if they disappear when a cop shows up and the NRA will say boo about it.

you really don't have any knowledge-you are spewing what you think will happen based on your incredibly biased hatred of the NRA-a hatred that clearly comes from the fact that you are upset that the NRA helped defeat Hillary and elect Trump
 
So what, one African American spokesman makes everything okay now? Didn't Noir say 2 years, we needed to get all the facts before making a judgment on the Castile case, well its been two years, has he come up with a reason why the NRA is silent on this case?

Yeah they have, Castile was a habitual drug user (which makes him ineligible to own a gun) and was high while carrying his gun (also illegal), the NRA doesnt support illegal gun use much to your chagrin
 
The central point of the thread is stupid. The NRA defends the gun rights of Americans, it doesn't care what color their skin is.
 
Because I see nothing that supports the NRA changing its position regarding gun rights and black people, if they had changed their tune they would have done something after Castile was shot by the cops for having a gun, instead of doing nothing. The past informs the present, they have not changed.

While Castile having a gun was a catalyst, him not complying to instructions was the reason he got shot. Also, the NRA did in fact spoke on this incident saying how tragic it was.
 
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