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    Re: Does the NRA defend the gun rights of African Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yes_Minister View Post
    You have to be a member of an organizaton criticize it now? Since when?

    Also police "misconduct" is a threat to black gun owners, if the police shoot black people because they might have guns. How does gun rights apply to black people if the cops can shoot them for having guns?
    The police shoot unarmed blacks, too. It's not a black man with a gun issue; it's a cops shooting black men issue.


    I think its more then fair to discuss the NRA in the context of the larger right wing movement, because the NRA carries water for other members of the right coalition ( its one of the articles) and the NRA will not fight for gun rights of people who are disliked by Fox News or the police unions. They will never go against their allies to fight for the rights of everyone, there is no money to be made with that.

    Why is Jemel Roberson not a good guy with a gun? Who was defending his rights? No one.
    His rights were as defended as anyone elses - no one knew that a cop would shoot him until it happened. Prior to McDonald, could he have been armed at all?
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    Re: Does the NRA defend the gun rights of African Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yes_Minister View Post
    You have to be a member of an organizaton criticize it now? Since when?

    Also police "misconduct" is a threat to black gun owners, if the police shoot black people because they might have guns. How does gun rights apply to black people if the cops can shoot them for having guns?

    I think its more then fair to discuss the NRA in the context of the larger right wing movement, because the NRA carries water for other members of the right coalition ( its one of the articles) and the NRA will not fight for gun rights of people who are disliked by Fox News or the police unions. They will never go against their allies to fight for the rights of everyone, there is no money to be made with that.

    Why is Jemel Roberson not a good guy with a gun? Who was defending his rights? No one.
    The NRA doesn't involve itself in police shootings much from what I have seen. Their principle area of involvement is when the RTKBA is violated by legislation or judicial decisions.

    Perhaps you could make the case for them intervening for other gun owners in similar situations, but I bet you won't try.

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    Re: Does the NRA defend the gun rights of African Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by dogboy49 View Post
    I am a Life Member of the NRA. From my perspective, the NRA defends gun rights. To me, gun rights benefit all races. And all religions, all ethnicities, and all genders, and any other subset of humanity you might wish to mention.





    Don't know. My perception is that the NRA is silent in the vast majority of questionable police shootings, no matter who the victims are. It seems to me that the NRA focuses mostly on gun rights, and just about never on police misconduct.



    So, you have discontinued the discussion about NRA, and are now talking about "right wingers"? Or are you talking about the members of the NRA who are "right wingers"?



    So, talking about Fox News/right-wing outlets now as well? I don't know the answer to that one. As for the NRA, have you heard them say that the "good guy with a gun" should not be applied to African Americans? I don't recall them saying that....

    I repeat. Gun rights benefit everyone. I think that minority groups (like, say, African Americans) are more likely to suffer from unwarranted agression than WASPs. If there were anyone that would benefit from robust gun rights, it is minorities who wish to defend themselves from agression.

    I believe you have a point that police are sometimes guilty of abusing their authority, and sometimes of killing innocents. There are plenty of organizations and news outlets that decry this heinous practice. I guess if you think the NRA should focus more of their efforts on police conduct, you can vote your conscience during the next NRA election. You are a member, right?
    I reviewed the prior posts of the OP-he's hard core anti NRA, anti gun rights poster. This thread was nothing more than yet another bit of evidence that the anti gun movement is political, anti conservative, not anti criminal.
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    Re: Does the NRA defend the gun rights of African Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yes_Minister View Post
    You have to be a member of an organizaton criticize it now?
    Nope. Criticize away if it makes you feel better!

    However, if you actually want to change an organization that democratically elects its officers though, being a member it is probably the best way.

    Also police "misconduct" is a threat to black gun owners, if the police shoot black people because they might have guns. How does gun rights apply to black people if the cops can shoot them for having guns?
    Your theory, and your subsequent conclusion noted. I am not a expert, but I believe that bad cops who inappropriately shoot innocent people probably are motivated by a variety of reasons. At least some bad cops are racially motivated. And, yes, there are probably some bad cops who use inappropriate force just because they dislike the idea of citizens having guns. I think it is a bit naive to uncritically accept all the excuses that are commonly quoted, such as "...I believed my life was in danger". While true for most shootings, there are surely a few problematic shoots where the cop actually had more nefarious reasons.

    Why is Jemel Roberson not a good guy with a gun?
    IMO he was.

    Who was defending his rights? No one.
    I believe the ACLU at least has paid lip service to Jemel Roberson's case, whose Fifth Amendment rights were the ones that were abrogated. Personally, I don't see this as 2A issue. It remains to be seen how actively the ACLU moves to correct police abuses.
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    Re: Does the NRA defend the gun rights of African Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I reviewed the prior posts of the OP-he's hard core anti NRA, anti gun rights poster. This thread was nothing more than yet another bit of evidence that the anti gun movement is political, anti conservative, not anti criminal.
    You may be right. I tend not to pay much attention to authors of posts, just to the ideas presented. I was feeling energized this morning so I thought I would provide rationality, and see what happens. There is always a chance that rational discussion ensues.

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    Re: Does the NRA defend the gun rights of African Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yes_Minister View Post
    Because I see nothing that supports the NRA changing its position regarding gun rights and black people, if they had changed their tune they would have done something after Castile was shot by the cops for having a gun, instead of doing nothing. The past informs the present, they have not changed.
    Does the NRA speak out in every case a person is shot by police?
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    Re: Does the NRA defend the gun rights of African Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    Does the NRA speak out in every case a person is shot by police?
    well we almost never see lefties agitate when the person shot is white

    or is a police officer murdered by thugs
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    Re: Does the NRA defend the gun rights of African Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I reviewed the prior posts of the OP-he's hard core anti NRA, anti gun rights poster. This thread was nothing more than yet another bit of evidence that the anti gun movement is political, anti conservative, not anti criminal.
    Why should I be pro NRA when I think they hypocrites?

    You seem to want to defend the NRA's double standard then the rights of people like Roberson. It seems like gun rights do not apply to people the right wing movement does not like.

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    Re: Does the NRA defend the gun rights of African Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    Does the NRA speak out in every case a person is shot by police?
    They certainly should if the 'justification' was simply the possession of a gun.
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    Re: Does the NRA defend the gun rights of African Americans?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well we almost never see lefties agitate when the person shot is white

    or is a police officer murdered by thugs
    Who is a "thug"? Was Castile a thug? Was Roberson a thug? That seems like an easy term used to take away people's rights and justify over policing.

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