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Rich2018 said:
No it doesn't

It means there are more people capable of being a mass shooter.

Having armed staff won't make any difference. Remember the school resources officer at Parkland...he didn't go anywhere near the shooter.


A teacher in a school will know where the armed staff are and either kill them first or wait until none are around.


You're making wild claims with no basis.
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A teacher in a school where guns are prohibited can shoot whomever they want until the cops show up. Why do you keep seeming to believe that a teacher who wants to commit a mass shooting won't simply ignore the rules against guns in school?
 
Rich2018 said:
I totally agree with your first point.

I'm not sure but are there any stats to show the likelihood of a mass shooter having a CCW ?
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Whether or not a teacher has a CCW, if he or she wants to commit a mass shooting they will simply bring the gun to school. Mass shootings are not spontaneous.
 
Rucker61 said:
A teacher in a school where guns are prohibited can shoot whomever they want until the cops show up. Why do you keep seeming to believe that a teacher who wants to commit a mass shooting won't simply ignore the rules against guns in school?
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I'm not.

A teacher could smuggle a gun into a school. BUT if teachers were allowed to have guns in a school...the teacher would find it a lot easier to stockpile a few guns and as much ammunition as he wanted.

Remember Stephen Paddock, he took days to stockpile his guns and ammo in his hotel suite.
 
Rich2018 said:
Really ?
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Yes. Somebody who wants to kill themselves with Tylenol will just take the whole bottle.

Rich2018 said:
No, I think less will attempt suicide because using a gun is just so easy - the stats prove it.
More people will survive a suicide attempt because guns are so much more lethal.



"According to the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention (AFSP), over 44,000 people try to commit suicide each year in the United States...
Men are four times more likely than women to kill themselves, and 77% of suicides are completed by men...this disparity is partially due to men choosing more lethal means to kill themselves: 56 percent die by firearm.
Women are more likely to attempt suicide by self-poisoning...women are more likely to attempt suicide, and men more likely to complete it"


https://www.livescience.com/44615-suicide-help.html



So more women attempt suicide than men. Women (mostly) use poison, men (mostly) use firearms...so despite women attempting suicide more than men, men are 3.5-4 times more successful.
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Nope, as I said it will just change the method as there are other methods that are just as easy that I've pointed out, such as Tylenol.
If making guns unavailable reduced suicide then Japan should be practically suicide free, yet Japan's suicide rate dwarfs the suicide rate of the USA.
 
Rich2018 said:
I'm not.

A teacher could smuggle a gun into a school. BUT if teachers were allowed to have guns in a school...the teacher would find it a lot easier to stockpile a few guns and as much ammunition as he wanted.

Remember Stephen Paddock, he took days to stockpile his guns and ammo in his hotel suite.
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My wife works in a middle school. She could stockpile four ARs, two shotguns and tons of magazines in her office without anyone being the wiser, and that's without being allowed to have guns in school. Allowing teachers to carry in school implies a single handgun, carried on their person, with one or two spare magazines. That's not a stockpile.
 
Rich2018 said:
No it doesn't

It means there are more people capable of being a mass shooter.
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Most armed faculty and staff will not become mass shooters, and if they do they will be stopped by other armed faculty and staff. How many police officers become mass shooters?

Rich2018 said:
Having armed staff won't make any difference.
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Yes it will, just like having armed police makes a difference in cutting down on crime.

Rich2018 said:
Remember the school resources officer at Parkland...he didn't go anywhere near the shooter.
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Because he wasn't doing his job properly. If he was in the Army he would be executed for desertion.


Rich2018 said:
A teacher in a school will know where the armed staff are and either kill them first or wait until none are around.
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Or they might not even try to shoot up the school in the first place. In case you haven't noticed the vast majority of shootings happen in gun free zones where nobody has guns except the shooter. Shooters don't target places where bullets will be flying back at them.

Rich2018 said:
You're making wild claims with no basis.
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You're looking in a mirror when you make that statement.
 
Rich2018 said:
You have no concerns that it might happen to you ?

Would you be surprised if anyone was scared of being shot after seeing a mass shooting or two on TV ?


If not that is surprising. It only takes one terrorist attack in say Paris or London or Egypt and booking from US tourists plummet.
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Not surprised, because people are irrational. The odds that someone will just randomly start shooting you or you part of mass shooting is very low. If you go out and are thinking about this, you probably have psychological problems or you will because its unhealthy. you are far more likely to be in a car accident, but most people don't drive fearing for their lives. None of that is healthy.
 
Rich2018 said:
If not that is surprising. It only takes one terrorist attack in say Paris or London or Egypt and booking from US tourists plummet.
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And yet they have much stricter gun laws than the USA, which just goes to show you stricter gun laws do not stop terrorism or mass killings, if that were the case London and Paris should be mass killing free.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Yes. Somebody who wants to kill themselves with Tylenol will just take the whole bottle....
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More women try suicide than men. Their preferred choice is poison. Most fail.

So where is your source that taking a bottle of Tylenol is a surefire way to kill yourself ?


...as I said it will just change the method as there are other methods that are just as easy that I've pointed out, such as Tylenol.
If making guns unavailable reduced suicide then Japan should be practically suicide free, yet Japan's suicide rate dwarfs the suicide rate of the USA.
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Yes there are other methods out there...there's poisoning, but as I've told you, it's nowhere near as lethal as a gun shot.

How do you know what the Japanese suicide rate would be if everyone had access to a gun ?

Or are you saying you know what the success rate of Japanese suicide attempts is ?
 
DebateChallenge said:
I thought it was well before that in which they stopped allowing pilots to carry guns, and in the wake of 9/11 the restriction on pilots having guns was being questioned and challenged.
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Nope. It was within months just before it. It's one of the conspiracy talking points.
 
Rich2018 said:
More women try suicide than men. Their preferred choice is poison. Most fail.
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They probably use other forms of poison such as sleeping pills. Tylenol in large amounts is a much more effective killer than sleeping pills.

Rich2018 said:
So where is your source that taking a bottle of Tylenol is a surefire way to kill yourself ?
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I know a paramedic whose worked with suicide cases involving Tylenol.

Rich2018 said:
Yes there are other methods out there...there's poisoning, but as I've told you, it's nowhere near as lethal as a gun shot.
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Depends on the poison.

Rich2018 said:
How do you know what the Japanese suicide rate would be if everyone had access to a gun ?

Or are you saying you know what the success rate of Japanese suicide attempts is ?
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The point is, in Japan they don't have access to guns and their suicide rate is still much higher than the suicide rate in the USA so that's proof that making guns harder to get will not result in lower suicide rates. As for the success rate of suicides in Japan I don't know off hand but no doubt its quite high considering the methods they use.
 
Anarchon said:
Nope. It was within months just before it. It's one of the conspiracy talking points.
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I thought it wasn't since the 70s that pilots kept guns with them when they flew.

Anyway, it makes no sense to not allow pilots to carry guns. If you can trust somebody to control a big machine that's thousands of feet in the air and that's transporting you over long distances, its absurd to not trust them with a gun.
 
DebateChallenge said:
And yet they have much stricter gun laws than the USA, which just goes to show you stricter gun laws do not stop terrorism or mass killings, if that were the case London and Paris should be mass killing free.
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Yes they do have much stricter gun laws, which is probably when the last terrorist attack in the UK (2017) involved 4 Muslim terrorist and they were armed with knives.

The 4 terrorists killed 6 people.

What if they'd had an AR-15 or AK-47 each ?


Nobody is saying that gun laws stop terrorism. They do stop mass shootings though.


Have you forgotten tat the USA suffered the biggest terrorist attack in terms of lives lost on 9/11/01 - and not a single gun was used. Banning guns is not aimed at stopping terrorism.
 
DebateChallenge said:
They probably use other forms of poison such as sleeping pills. Tylenol in large amounts is a much more effective killer than sleeping pills...
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Source?

What are the numbers of people who've attempted suicide by Tylenol and failed?

Are is this another statistic you just made up ?


...I know a paramedic whose worked with suicide cases involving Tylenol....
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And will you friend be posting his figures on here if you ask him ?

Sorry you can't argue a point with information that is open to you and denied to me.
I could equally say I know a dozen doctors and they all say that Tylenol is perfectly safe and next to useless as a means of suicide.


...depends on the poison....
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No, it probably depends on the level of medical knowledge the person has....

After all many people die from drugs without intending too.


...the point is, in Japan they don't have access to guns and their suicide rate is still much higher than the suicide rate in the USA...
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Unless you know what the suicide level was or would be if Japan had US levels of gun ownership, how is that information in any way useful ?
 
Rich2018 said:
Unless you know what the suicide level was or would be if Japan had US levels of gun ownership, how is that information in any way useful ?
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In your haste to beg the question, you caught yourself with your own argument. If you are indeed arguing that the US suicide rate would go down with Japanese level of gun ownership.
 
Originally Posted by zsu2357 View Post
So then your good with big supermarkets and shopping malls? If your good with tend to and usually,well it's your life.
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Originally Posted by Rich2018
In English please.
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WTF does that mean?

I think you mean "you are" when you say "your".
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Your refers to you. Get it? And wouldn't it sound stupid to say... It's you are life? If you can't reply without a stupid comeback don't.But don't try playing language police because you suck at that to.
 
Originally Posted by Rich2018
You get shot with a 7.62mm NATO round, brother, you are going to die unless you're very lucky.
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You don't know what a 7.62 NATO round is do you? Don't worry you will be called out on it. Hurry search Google.
 
=Rich2018;1069397270]Great, how many would I need and how much would it cost per day ?
My $5,000 week in London might become prohibitively expensive wouldn't you say ?
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Remember where you go on vacation and how much you may or not spend is your problem. Am only addressing day to day living not how many thousands I'm spending in London.

I'd agree with you

It's why I'd:

1. Run
2. Hide
3. Fight

(assuming I'm cable of doing any after being shot)
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And if you have been shot or had to many to fight off or can't run very fast and I'll add a variable,your wife or kids are with you. So can't run away or hide,can't fight back (throwing cell phones and harsh words count but not effective) I'd say you and/or family are screwed.



You've been watching too many action movies

You don't do that, no-one does
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You mean no one is aware of their surroundings?
Except maybe members of the Secret Service and then only when on duty with a principal to protect
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Are you really saying that only Secret Service take in surroundings?


Of course we are...and again what have I don't wrong as the bullets rip through the crowd ?
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Bet you had never heard of a bump stock before that.



Whatever
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Because I am aware of my surroundings and you chose not to be means you are a lot more apt to be a target.

So you'd use it if you had to ?
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If my house were to be damaged or destroyed by flooding then yes.
 
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zsu2357 said:
You don't know what a 7.62 NATO round is do you? Don't worry you will be called out on it. Hurry search Google.
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Er, yes I do...I fired them out of my FN FAL (otherwise known as the SLR) and FN MAG (otherwise known as the GPMG).

If you get hit by one of those, you are going down.
 
zsu2357 said:
...remember where you go on vacation and how much you may or not spend is your problem. Am only addressing day to day living not how many thousands I'm spending in London....
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Sorry, I'm not at all sure what you're trying to say

...and if you have been shot or had to many to fight off or can't run very fast and I'll add a variable,your wife or kids are with you. So can't run away or hide,can't fight back (throwing cell phones and harsh words count but not effective) I'd say you and/or family are screwed...
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If running is not an option

Hiding is the next best

Fighting is the most dangerous and the last option

But I tell you what is a better option still, a gun control law that makes it virtually impossible for the mass shooter to buy a gun.


...you mean no one is aware of their surroundings?
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No...and even less so when you're with your wife and children


The places I go to I don't think I need to act like I'm behind enemy lines...
That said, a mass shooter doesn't usually attack when people are ready


...are you really saying that only Secret Service take in surroundings?
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Yes (though I'd stretch it to anyone with law enforcement training)


...because I am aware of my surroundings and you chose not to be means you are a lot more apt to be a target....
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Sorry, I don't mean to be rude to you but, whatever


...if my house were to be damaged or destroyed by flooding then yes.
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Of course

No-one buys anything they never have any intention of using.
 
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