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DebateChallenge said:
Certainly some people on plains should be allowed to carry guns, such as pilots, sky marshals, and perhaps certain qualified and specialized flight attendants....
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It goes without saying law enforcement.

But pilots?

Why ?

And if pilots, why not flight attendants?

Prison correction officers don't carry guns when walking amongst the prison population...ever wondered why ?


...certain faculty and staff in schools should be allowed to carry guns, although it would have to be specialized.
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How do you determine "specialized" ?

How would they be stored and regulated ?

What's to stop a teacher from becoming an active shooter ?
 
What's to stop a teacher from becoming an active shooter ?
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Does a sign on the door stop a teacher from becoming an active shooter? What does stop a teacher from becoming an active shooter?
 
Rich2018 said:
Have you any idea how many schools there are compared to airports ?
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There are 133,393 schools in the USA grades K-12, both public and private. Far less than 1% of them have shootings.
 
DebateChallenge said:
According to your numerous other posts you make it clear you want gun control like Japan which would effectively ban most guns, I assume that would also include women not being able to own guns so now you're contradicting yourself....
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No, I was asking a question, not stating a preferred option.


...for those women than choose to carry guns, and that number has been growing since the Obama administration and will no doubt continue to grow, I would say it works quite well.
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How do you know ?

I know a woman who carries a gun...she carries it in her purse (hand bag for UK readers).

No way could she retrieve her gun (it is a compact handgun Btw) if attacked.


Unless you're OK with all women walking around malls, parking lots, schools, hospitals etc etc with a loaded gun in their hand, cocked and one in the chamber. I'm not.
 
Rich2018 said:
No, I was asking a question, not stating a preferred option.





How do you know ?

I know a woman who carries a gun...she carries it in her purse (hand bag for UK readers).

No way could she retrieve her gun (it is a compact handgun Btw) if attacked.


Unless you're OK with all women walking around malls, parking lots, schools, hospitals etc etc with a loaded gun in their hand, cocked and one in the chamber. I'm not.
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You'd prefer they be vulnerable to their attackers?
 
DebateChallenge said:
There are 133,393 schools in the USA grades K-12, both public and private. Far less than 1% of them have shootings.
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But the number is growing every year.


So how many airports do the TSA man.

Now apply that to 133,000 schools...also colleges...do you includes universities...churches....
 
Rich2018 said:
But the number is growing every year.


So how many airports do the TSA man.

Now apply that to 133,000 schools...also colleges...do you includes universities...churches....
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We're going to need more gun free zone signs.
 
Rich2018 said:
I'm saying the less guns we have, the less shootings we'll have.
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Than explain this, Front Sight, a world class shooting school in Nevada has thousands of people come there to take classes every week. Everybody there has guns. Thousands of people with guns. Yet at Front Sight the only shootings are the ones done at the paper targets, explain that.
 
Rich2018 said:
They are vulnerable anyway.
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Less so if they have an effective means of defense, but you want to to be more vulnerable than they have to be.
 
Rucker61 said:
Does a sign on the door stop a teacher from becoming an active shooter? What does stop a teacher from becoming an active shooter?
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Allowing them to have guns in the classroom with no questions asked, makes it easier for the to be an active shooter.


Right now if a teacher is caught with a gun in the school, it's an instant red alert.
 
Rucker61 said:
Less so if they have an effective means of defense, but you want to to be more vulnerable than they have to be.
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You mean like British women are ?

Maybe US women need to be more aware of their surroundings.


How many rapes have guns stopped ?


I thin k you'll lose any statistical argument.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, and the fewer knives that we have then the fewer stabbings that we'll have. Basically, the less freedom that we have then the less crime that we will have is your theory.
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Sounds like Nineteen Eighty Four.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Than explain this, Front Sight, a world class shooting school in Nevada has thousands of people come there to take classes every week. Everybody there has guns. Thousands of people with guns. Yet at Front Sight the only shootings are the ones done at the paper targets, explain that.
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Because people who go to gun classes aren't likely to be active shooters ?

Though it's not unknown for people to commit suicide at a gun range .
 
Rich2018 said:
Allowing them to have guns in the classroom with no questions asked, makes it easier for the to be an active shooter.


Right now if a teacher is caught with a gun in the school, it's an instant red alert.
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How long after a planned shooter enters a school with a gun with the intent of committing a mass shooting do they wait before they start shooting? Would a teacher so inclined wait until their planning period?
 
Anarchon said:
Pilots used to have a gun up front with them. Shortly before 9/11, Bush changed that, and said that they could no longer have weapons up front with them. Imagine how different 9/11 might have been if the government hadn't got into gun control, and allowed them to defend themselves.
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I thought it was well before that in which they stopped allowing pilots to carry guns, and in the wake of 9/11 the restriction on pilots having guns was being questioned and challenged.
 
Rucker61 said:
How long after a planned shooter enters a school with a gun with the intent of committing a mass shooting do they wait before they start shooting? Would a teacher so inclined wait until their planning period?
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IDK...Stephen Paddock seemed to plan and prepare for his mass shooting for days.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Alright, another easy method of suicide, a bottle of Tylenol, and its not scary and agonizing like hanging yourself, its perhaps even less scary than shooting yourself.
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Without looking it up, do you have ANY idea how many Tylenol pills you'd have to take to kill yourself ?


No, almost nobody does.
 
Rich2018 said:
You mean like British women are ?

Maybe US women need to be more aware of their surroundings.


How many rapes have guns stopped ?


I thin k you'll lose any statistical argument.
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The rape rate in the UK in 2017 was 44 per 100k population. In the US it was 30.5 per 100k.
 
Rich2018 said:
IDK...Stephen Paddock seemed to plan and prepare for his mass shooting for days.
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That's my point, the one that destroys your point about teachers carrying guns. It's not a spontaneous decision, and any teacher who was planning to commit a mass murder in their school would simply bring a gun to school, with or without permission, and start shooting upon arrival.
 
Rich2018 said:
...and about 10 million new TSA members.
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In those 130,000 schools that meet 180 days a year with 50 million students, how many students have been murdered, at school, by a shooter with a gun in the last 20 years?
 
Gaius46 said:
I don't know specifically about privacy with respect to roommates but I do know that if your roommate consents to a police search that consent generally does not extend to your private bedroom. That would kind of imply bedrooms and other non shared spaces are private. Probably doesn't matter a whole lot since the idea of the girl suing because they entered her room seems pretty silly.
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But this was not a police search. This was tenants entering a room they pay rent on.

If she had the gun, or the room, under lock and key, then I believe she would have a reasonable expectation of privacy as she would be able to show efforts intended to protect that privacy
 
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Rich2018 said:
Not it's not an isolated case.

Parkland...Sandy Hook...Sana Fe...the list is endless.
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Adam Lanza did not own the guns legally, he stole them from his mom and killed her. The shooter in Santa Fe stole the guns from his dad. Neither of them had the guns legally.

Rich2018 said:
The point is that the guns used were legally owned.
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Not by the shooter.

Rich2018 said:
YOU might be an owner of legally held guns.
YOU might be a law abiding citizen
YOU may only have used you guns in a legal and safe way...


...until tomorrow when you go into a church and kill as many people as you can.


How do I or anyone know what you will do with those guns in the future ?
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Because less than 0.000001% of the lawful gun owners in the USA ever use their guns to kill innocent people in their lifetimes.


Rich2018 said:
THAT is the essential point of gun control.
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And its a flawed point, see above.
 
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