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    Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    So in your opinion police officers are equivalent to volatile civilians who clearly are willing to start shooting at a moment’s notice?

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    No.. police officers are folks that are trained, they are agents of the government. They are given responsibility to protect the public and are given certain responsibilities to that. . Because of that.. they MUST be held to a much higher standard than the average citizen.

    There is a definite threat to your life if a police officer takes my firearm. the number of folks that have been shot by police officers.. when UNARMED.. shows that.. much less those have been lawfully carrying and been shot by panicky police officers.

    Officers.. have a responsibility to act in a responsible and rational manner and not escalate a situation and turn a NON VIOLENT situation into a violent one.
    So we should put you down as supporting putting GPS trackers in everyone to "save lives"?
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    Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    So you think he should have been allowed to commit murder and gotten off scot-free?

    Millions of people don’t have guns yet are “free”. Temporarily taking anyway someone’s firearm does not make them “not free”.
    I am sorry.. did he commit murder before the police escalated the situation into a dangerous one? doesn't sound like he did.

    Hmmm.. so again.. you don't have a problem with your property being taken away without due process? that's the question I asked you.

    And millions of people are free.. largely because someone with firearms.. fought for that freedom at some time.
    So we should put you down as supporting putting GPS trackers in everyone to "save lives"?
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    Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    The main difference is the court order, not the badges. Pretty much everything a police officer legally does in response to crimes or allegations of crimes would be illegal for a civilian – that’s why we have police officers and all of the legal structures around them. If someone threw you in a van and drove you to a remote cell where they locked you away for years they’d be considered a kidnapper. By your argument, every prison should be closed and all prisoners released.
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    Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by RaleBulgarian View Post
    Yeah, the dumb cops should have just allowed Willis to murder them.
    No. I would like to see a law that would of required Mr. Willis to a chance to appear in court first to be judged if he was a temporary threat. If so then he surrenders weapons until a full trial can be held to determine what needs to be done.

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    Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    No.. police officers are folks that are trained, they are agents of the government. They are given responsibility to protect the public and are given certain responsibilities to that. . Because of that.. they MUST be held to a much higher standard than the average citizen.

    There is a definite threat to your life if a police officer takes my firearm. the number of folks that have been shot by police officers.. when UNARMED.. shows that.. much less those have been lawfully carrying and been shot by panicky police officers.

    Officers.. have a responsibility to act in a responsible and rational manner and not escalate a situation and turn a NON VIOLENT situation into a violent one.
    And they are held to a higher standard, which is why your claims equating police to this citizen is so laughable.

    I get that you are grasping at straws to justify this guy's attempted murder of a police officer but the simple fact is that you do not get a free pass to shoot at police.

    Conservatives really need to figure that out.

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    Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    I am sorry.. did he commit murder before the police escalated the situation into a dangerous one? doesn't sound like he did.

    Hmmm.. so again.. you don't have a problem with your property being taken away without due process? that's the question I asked you.

    And millions of people are free.. largely because someone with firearms.. fought for that freedom at some time.
    Yep, the police stopped him before he could commit murder......and you are whining about it.

    I wouldn't try to murder police officers if my property is taken away temporarily, no.

    And millions of people are actually free because the government prevented "someone with firearms" from doing whatever nutty thing crossed their mind.

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    Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I can see this law leading to some massive possibilities of abuse--sort of like "Swatting" someone. Especially in heated custody battles. I can see cases where this might be justified but there has to be severe penalties for those who report others without good cause
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    Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Rucker61 View Post
    Then why does the law allow the subject to retain possession of knives, blunt tools and rope?
    When was the last mass stabbing, bludgeoning, or hanging in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    So your theory is that its best that the police create a situation in which deadly force might be necessary and escalate the situation to the point where they need to kill people.. got it.
    DA response. The theory of Maryland state lawmakers is to reduce the chances of an unbalanced person hurting/killing themselves and/or a bunch of other people. A noble cause IMO.

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    So you think we should take away someones property and freedom without due process?
    Dishonest interpretation and exaggeration. Freedom and due process are not issues involved. The firearms are temporarily removed and can be gotten back within 1 week.

    What logical solutions do you guys have to offer that can help to prevent unbalanced folks from killing a bunch of other folks?

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    Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by RaleBulgarian View Post
    When was the last mass stabbing, bludgeoning, or hanging in America?
    Note my actual question: was he considered a danger to himself or to someone else? That doesn't mean mass killing. The red flag law isn't in place just to address mass shootings - it's to try to prevent suicides and homicides. 1500 people are killed each year with knives. 11,500 hang or suffocate themselves every year in suicides. If the law is only focused on taking guns away, it's not about the safety of the public or the dangerous person. It's just about guns.
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    Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Chillfolks View Post
    No. I would like to see a law that would of required Mr. Willis to a chance to appear in court first to be judged if he was a temporary threat. If so then he surrenders weapons until a full trial can be held to determine what needs to be done.
    Yes, by all means notify a person believed to be a danger to him/herself that the government is considering removing their firearms on such and such date and location, and please be on time. Brilliant idea. No way that could trigger a violent response.

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