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    Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by DebateChallenge View Post
    The very subject of this thread is what this is all about. The police seized, or tried to seize, the now deceased victim's guns when the now deceased victim had not gone through due process.
    My point. Nobody has yet to actually prove that due process requirements were not met. Only conjecture.

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    Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Jr View Post
    The right thing to do would be to step back and let the officers take the gun.


    Bull**** we know exactly what happened.
    One we don't know how this went down.

    One.. the smart thing for the officers to do would have been to aske the person to come outside .. or whatever to talk with them to take him away from the firearm

    Secondly.. he might have been ASKED by one of the officers to hand him the firearm. I actually was once asked by a police officer when I was stopped at a traffic stop to hand him my carry pistol. Being a reserve officer..I did not want to touch the firearm and stated such to the officer. We got into a discussion about it because I did not want to touch the firearm. AS we were discussing it.. a state patrolman walked up to back up the local PD.
    Later,when I was given a warning for a broken tail light...and the two policemen where there.. I asked the state police officer.."what would you have done if when you were walking up, you saw me take my firearm out"...he said " I would have SHOT YOU".

    I then turned to the local pd and told him... THATS why I did not want to touch my firearm and hand it to you...

    This sort of things DOES happen.. and I gosh darn guarantee you.. that if that officer had shot me.... the officer who told me to hand him the firearm.. would never have put that in his report. And it would have gone down as a good shoot of a man who was stupid and reached for a gun when the police were there.


    The circumstances stated here stink to high heaven. He initially put down the gun. Procedure should have been to get the person away from the firearm. Then the gun went off only after the other officer struggled with the man for the gun. There are a lot of questions here.
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    Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    One we don't know how this went down.

    One.. the smart thing for the officers to do would have been to aske the person to come outside .. or whatever to talk with them to take him away from the firearm

    Secondly.. he might have been ASKED by one of the officers to hand him the firearm. I actually was once asked by a police officer when I was stopped at a traffic stop to hand him my carry pistol. Being a reserve officer..I did not want to touch the firearm and stated such to the officer. We got into a discussion about it because I did not want to touch the firearm. AS we were discussing it.. a state patrolman walked up to back up the local PD.
    Later,when I was given a warning for a broken tail light...and the two policemen where there.. I asked the state police officer.."what would you have done if when you were walking up, you saw me take my firearm out"...he said " I would have SHOT YOU".

    I then turned to the local pd and told him... THATS why I did not want to touch my firearm and hand it to you...

    This sort of things DOES happen.. and I gosh darn guarantee you.. that if that officer had shot me.... the officer who told me to hand him the firearm.. would never have put that in his report. And it would have gone down as a good shoot of a man who was stupid and reached for a gun when the police were there.


    The circumstances stated here stink to high heaven. He initially put down the gun. Procedure should have been to get the person away from the firearm. Then the gun went off only after the other officer struggled with the man for the gun. There are a lot of questions here.
    This wasn't a traffic stop and Willis was not a reserve officer. Please review the actual facts of this particular situation before commenting further.
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    Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by RaleBulgarian View Post
    My point. Nobody has yet to actually prove that due process requirements were not met. Only conjecture.
    Nope, they did not go through due process.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz1MqbGY2qY&t=1s

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    Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by DebateChallenge View Post
    Nope, they did not go through due process.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz1MqbGY2qY&t=1s
    You must have mistakenly posted the wrong video because the non-lawyer, non-sworn officer posting the video repeatedly said that he doesn’t know all of the details and has not read the report. That was made clear by the fact that he repeatedly said the individual initiating the order “called it in”.. We already know from the original article that a sworn/signed affidavit must be submitted before anything happens, and that cannot be done over the phone. And directly to the point you were hoping to make, the narrator offered no evidence whatsoever that due process was violated.

    Bottom line, the video was nothing more than an opinion posted by someone uninvolved and ignorant of many critical factors.

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