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Washington State D's try to hammer gun owners for political gain

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Voters in Washington State Are Poised to Pass Some of the Country’s Toughest Gun-Safety Laws
Organizers hope that Initiative 1639 will juice turnout in the midterms and show that gun-violence prevention is a winner at the ballot box
The “Safe Schools, Safe Communities” measure, Initiative 1639, would raise the legal age for buying military-style long-arms from 18 to 21 and impose a 10-day waiting period for such purchases. It would require gun owners to take a safety course and extend the state’s already rigorous background-check system for handgun ownership to the kinds of semi-automatic rifles that are often favored by mass shooters. The measure would also require law enforcement to review those background checks annually to make sure that gun owners continue to be law-abiding citizens after they pass, something that California and Hawaii do now for all firearm owners and Kentucky does with concealed-carry permit holders.

Perhaps most importantly, it pairs the right to own guns with the responsibility on the part of gun owners to help assure the public’s safety. I-1639 requires them to store their weapons safely and makes them liable for charges if one of their guns gets snatched and used in a crime (either misdemeanor or felony charges depending on the nature of the crime)
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https://www.thenation.com/article/washington-gun-control-initiative-1639-nra/

1) Ideas should be on the ballot because of their merit, not to try to entice people to the polls so that your party can win

2) Charging people for a crime when their stolen property is used in a crime is citizen abuse.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Voters in Washington State Are Poised to Pass Some of the Country’s Toughest Gun-Safety Laws
Organizers hope that Initiative 1639 will juice turnout in the midterms and show that gun-violence prevention is a winner at the ballot box

https://www.thenation.com/article/washington-gun-control-initiative-1639-nra/

1) Ideas should be on the ballot because of their merit, not to try to entice people to the polls so that your party can win

2) Charging people for a crime when their stolen property is used in a crime is citizen abuse.
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hmmmm.. it would seem to me.. that this is terrible for democrats. If anything.. its going to spur more republicans or republican leaning folks to the polls..
 
jaeger19 said:
hmmmm.. it would seem to me.. that this is terrible for democrats. If anything.. its going to spur more republicans or republican leaning folks to the polls..
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However:
Organizers hope that the measure, along with a high-profile initiative to enact a carbon tax, will boost youth turnout in a cycle that’s crucial both nationally and in the Evergreen State, where Democrats are trying to hold onto slim majorities in the state legislature
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This is sick, and not in a good way.
 
This Democrat voted against it.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Voters in Washington State Are Poised to Pass Some of the Country’s Toughest Gun-Safety Laws
Organizers hope that Initiative 1639 will juice turnout in the midterms and show that gun-violence prevention is a winner at the ballot box

https://www.thenation.com/article/washington-gun-control-initiative-1639-nra/

1) Ideas should be on the ballot because of their merit, not to try to entice people to the polls so that your party can win

2) Charging people for a crime when their stolen property is used in a crime is citizen abuse.
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Wonder if this could be used as a reason to sue the State for things that they fail to prevent. After all, if they punish people for crimes that other people commit then surely it is OK to punish the State for crimes that they do not prevent.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Wonder if this could be used as a reason to sue the State for things that they fail to prevent. After all, if they punish people for crimes that other people commit then surely it is OK to punish the State for crimes that they do not prevent.
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Good point.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Wonder if this could be used as a reason to sue the State for things that they fail to prevent. After all, if they punish people for crimes that other people commit then surely it is OK to punish the State for crimes that they do not prevent.
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Likely not given Castle Rock v Gonzales.
 
jaeger19 said:
hmmmm.. it would seem to me.. that this is terrible for democrats. If anything.. its going to spur more republicans or republican leaning folks to the polls..
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In Washington State? Doubtful
 
Kal'Stang said:
Wonder if this could be used as a reason to sue the State for things that they fail to prevent. After all, if they punish people for crimes that other people commit then surely it is OK to punish the State for crimes that they do not prevent.
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Good point. Suing a State in a State Court is a tough nut though. If it passes I hope someone or several people do sue. Not sure that part if the law would survive a SC hearing.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
If only they had not decided to criminalize being the victim of a crime I would have considered it.
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I've claimed here many times that it's absolutely wrong to criminalize being the victim of another's criminal act.
 
Lursa said:
I've claimed here many times that it's absolutely wrong to criminalize being the victim of another's criminal act.
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Well, you’re being a criminal as they take your taxes and put some of it to killing premature infants.
 
Tom Horn said:
Well, you’re being a criminal as they take your taxes and put some of it to killing premature infants.
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Does the state kill premature infants?
 
I’m not chuckling. When the **** hits the fan, there’s gonna be lots of payback.
 
Rucker61 said:
Does the state kill premature infants?
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You do as you send the fed money and they split some off to your state funded abortion clinics.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Voters in Washington State Are Poised to Pass Some of the Country’s Toughest Gun-Safety Laws
Organizers hope that Initiative 1639 will juice turnout in the midterms and show that gun-violence prevention is a winner at the ballot box

https://www.thenation.com/article/washington-gun-control-initiative-1639-nra/

1) Ideas should be on the ballot because of their merit, not to try to entice people to the polls so that your party can win

2) Charging people for a crime when their stolen property is used in a crime is citizen abuse.
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things like this are not the end, they will come back with more and more, the idea is to eliminate firearms from the publics hands.
 
Tom Horn said:
Well, you’re being a criminal as they take your taxes and put some of it to killing premature infants.
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Fortunately, the US federal govt does not do that.

So not sure what country you are discussing.
 
jaeger19 said:
Lots of republicans in Washington state in the more rural areas.
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True, but I expect this will pass. I think the only play left after that will be lawsuits to prevent it from taking effect.
 
This passed 60/40.

I am disappointed in my state.
 
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