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School shooting averted, thanks Kentucky police

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A Lawrenceburg man was arrested after police found evidence that a “threat was credible and imminent” to Shelby and Anderson County schools, according to Kentucky State Police.

State police and the FBI responded Thursday to the Lawrenceburg residence of Dylan Jarrell, just a block away from Anderson County High School, when a New Jersey woman complained he had sent unsolicited, harassing messages to her on Facebook.

Jarrell, 20, admitted to sending the “racially motivated messages,” according to his arrest citation, and the FBI agent then asked about a past school shooting threat last May in Tennessee in which Jarrell had been a suspect. The suspect admitted to making the previous school threats, court records show..

Police may have averted school shooting | Police & Courts | richmondregister.com

This man was up to no good. They found several guns, rounds of ammunition, a Kevlar vest, and found his search history on his computer about school shootings. Thank you Kentucky State police for doing your job and saving potentially many lives!
 
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Police may have averted school shooting | Police & Courts | richmondregister.com

This man was up to no good. They found several guns, rounds of ammunition, a Kevlar vest, and found his search history on his computer about school shootings. Thank you Kentucky State police for doing your job and saving potentially many lives!

People have been suggesting that a court could have ruled at his last hearing that a TRO be issued to place him on a Do not sale list.

Does he still have his right to purchase firearms?
 
People have been suggesting that a court could have ruled at his last hearing that a TRO be issued to place him on a Do not sale list.

Does he still have his right to purchase firearms?

IF he does, he shouldn't.
 
People have been suggesting that a court could have ruled at his last hearing that a TRO be issued to place him on a Do not sale list.

Does he still have his right to purchase firearms?

He sure will be banned from firearms now. This happened in Kentucky from what I can tell. Here's what I could find on the relevant law:

508.078 Terroristic threatening in the second degree.

(4) Terroristic threatening in the second degree is a Class D felony.
 
Does KY law prevent him buying a gun or guns at a gun show ?
It prevents him from buying guns from any dealer ANYWHERE and it prevents him from legally possessing ANY firearm. Oh...wait...you are one of those people that swallows the "gunshow loophole" argument...arent you.

:lamo
 
Does KY law prevent him buying a gun or guns at a gun show ?

If it's illegal to purchase or possess a firearm, then it's illegal to purchase or possess a firearm.
 
It prevents him from buying guns from any dealer ANYWHERE and it prevents him from legally possessing ANY firearm. Oh...wait...you are one of those people that swallows the "gunshow loophole" argument...arent you.

:lamo

So he can still get a gun. Albeit own it illegally.


Yes there is a gun show loophole.
 
So he can still get a gun. Albeit own it illegally.


Yes there is a gun show loophole.
:lamo

No...there isnt a gun show loophole. That is a stupid argument sold to stupid people by anti-gun politicians. You can no sooner buy a gun froma dealer at a gun show than their store, just as you could not buy a gun from a private seller any easier than you could from their house, or a police parking lot, which is where I typically sell the firearms I sell when I sell them.

And...

'illegally'...

:lamo

Right. Because making something illegal has always prevented people from being able to get illegal substances.
 
:lamo

No...there isnt a gun show loophole. That is a stupid argument sold to stupid people by anti-gun politicians. You can no sooner buy a gun froma dealer at a gun show than their store, just as you could not buy a gun from a private seller any easier than you could from their house, or a police parking lot, which is where I typically sell the firearms I sell when I sell them.

And...

'illegally'...

:lamo

Right. Because making something illegal has always prevented people from being able to get illegal substances.


So I can't go to a private individual and buy his gun from him as I might buy his television ?
 
Does KY law prevent him buying a gun or guns at a gun show ?

Does KY law prevent him from sealing a gun or shooting up a school with a gun that he already bought?
 
So he can still get a gun. Albeit own it illegally.


Yes there is a gun show loophole.

Cocaine, Heroin, etc etc etc are all banned substances on a national level. They are illegal to own, make, possess, sell, and buy period. Across the entire nation.

Hows that working out?

Just because something is illegal for someone to have/buy/get does not mean that there are not ways to get that something.

The largest way to obtain a handgun illegally is through straw purchases. Straw purchases are where someone that is legally able to buy a gun (IE:Nothing on their record that prevents them from owning a gun) buys a gun from a certified FFL dealer and then gives it to the person that they know is not legally able to own a gun.

The second largest way to obtain a handgun is through FFL dealers that are corrupt. IE: They will sell a gun to anyone and everyone even if they have something on their record.

The third largest way is from "street vendors". IE: Black marketeers.

The fourth way is from theft from a car or home.

There is no significant statistic that shows that any of the guns come from the supposed "gun show loophole". In other words even if someone manages to buy a gun illegally at a gun show it happens so rarely as to not even be worth noting. Except of course by those that need a talking point against guns.
 
Does KY law prevent him buying a gun or guns at a gun show ?

It's illegal to buy a gun from a licensed dealer at a gun show.

The law isn't going to prevent anything.

Obviously this dude is dangerous and should be locked up for life.
 
So he can still get a gun. Albeit own it illegally.


Yes there is a gun show loophole.

No, there isn't. The Brady Act works exactly as the Democrats who wrote it, the Democrats who passed it and the Democrat who signed it into law wanted it to work.
 
He sure will be banned from firearms now. This happened in Kentucky from what I can tell. Here's what I could find on the relevant law:

508.078 Terroristic threatening in the second degree.

if he is indicted, he is banned under 18 USC 922 from possessing firearms. If the indictment is quashed or if he is acquitted of the charges, then he could buy firearms. If he is convicted of a felony, he's banned for life unless the governor of his state gives him a full and complete pardon. In other words-he's banned for life
 
No there isn't. Stop repeating that lie.

iF you are a gun banner-you lie about gun laws-its what you do. If you want to save on auto insurance, don't let gun banners drive your Lotus.
 
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The Firearms Owner’s Protection Act of 1986 includes what is colloquially known as the “gun show loophole”. The act amended the Gun Control Act of 1968 and includes numerous other changes as well. To the point of the gun show loophole, the act redefined “gun dealer” to exclude private sellers. As a result, the provision allows for the sale of firearms by unlicensed occasional sellers without any background check. Only summary, if any, questions to the buyer regarding his/her eligibility to own a firearm in the state where the transaction.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/99th-congress/senate-bill/49

Before anyone decides to jump on me, I am a gun owner, routinely carry concealed (licensed of course) and staunch of the 2nd Amendment. I also believe in common sense gun laws including universal background checks. “Shall not infringe” does not mean anyone has the right to own any weapon.
 
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The Firearms Owner’s Protection Act of 1986 includes what is colloquially known as the “gun show loophole”. The act amended the Gun Control Act of 1968 and includes numerous other changes as well. To the point of the gun show loophole, the act redefined “gun dealer” to exclude private sellers. As a result, the provision allows for the sale of firearms by unlicensed occasional sellers without any background check. Only summary, if any, questions to the buyer regarding his/her eligibility to own a firearm in the state where the transaction.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/99th-congress/senate-bill/49

Before anyone decides to jump on me, I am a gun owner, routinely carry concealed (licensed of course) and staunch of the 2nd Amendment. I also believe in common sense gun laws including universal background checks. “Shall not infringe” does not mean anyone has the right to own any weapon.

In their 2010 report "Summary of Select Firearms Violence Prevention Strategies", the DOJ noted that "universal" background checks can only be effective if we have full registration of all firearms. Lacking that, UBCs are not enforceable. Unenforceable laws are not "common sense". Both Washington State and Colorado implemented UBCs in the last years; the number of people arrested for breaking a UBC law is less than ten.
 
The Firearms Owner’s Protection Act of 1986 includes what is colloquially known as the “gun show loophole”. The act amended the Gun Control Act of 1968 and includes numerous other changes as well. To the point of the gun show loophole, the act redefined “gun dealer” to exclude private sellers. As a result, the provision allows for the sale of firearms by unlicensed occasional sellers without any background check. Only summary, if any, questions to the buyer regarding his/her eligibility to own a firearm in the state where the transaction.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/99th-congress/senate-bill/49

Before anyone decides to jump on me, I am a gun owner, routinely carry concealed (licensed of course) and staunch of the 2nd Amendment. I also believe in common sense gun laws including universal background checks. “Shall not infringe” does not mean anyone has the right to own any weapon.

at what rate of fire does a weapon go from being under "shall not be infringed" to the second amendment no longer applies?
 
In their 2010 report "Summary of Select Firearms Violence Prevention Strategies", the DOJ noted that "universal" background checks can only be effective if we have full registration of all firearms. Lacking that, UBCs are not enforceable. Unenforceable laws are not "common sense". Both Washington State and Colorado implemented UBCs in the last years; the number of people arrested for breaking a UBC law is less than ten.
True, universal background checks can only be fully effective if all firearms are registered. Also true that considering the fact that there are about as many firearms in the U.S. as people (nobody knows for certain exactly how many) and there is no way to ensure all owners would 100% comply if a nationwide UBC was initiated, a 100% registration just isn’t going to happen. However, none of that means/proves a nationwide UBC system directed toward all firearms sales going forward would not be beneficial. The process is inexpensive and very quick. My last check took literally less than 5 minutes. And as for the “less than 10” count, I have two responses: 1. The number claimed is dubious. Statistical reports from different groups/organizations state both more and less people apprehended. 2. Even if the number combined between two states only came to ten, that’s still progress. Bottom line, IMO, there is much room for improvement on this issue and beginning with a mandatory background check going forward is a good place to start.

at what rate of fire does a weapon go from being under "shall not be infringed" to the second amendment no longer applies?
How many rounds per minute can a shoulder mounted rocket launcher fire? How many rounds per minute does an M60 fire? How many rounds per minute can an M1 Abrams main gun fire? Doesn’t matter because Congress has already said private citizens (with very, very few exceptions) cannot own any of them in fully operational condition w/ammunition. There are plenty more examples, but you probably get the point now. The whole “shall not infringe” argument was busted long ago.
 
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