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apdst said:
Freedom and liberty aren't man made. They are natiral instincts that every living creature possesses.

Put an animal in a cage, any animal. Leave the door oppen. What happens? The animal immediately wants to be free of the cage.
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Has nothing to do with them being a right. An instinct isnt a right. If those were rights for animals....why isnt there anything protecting their liberty and freedom?

Rights are something recognized by, codified, and enforced by law.
 
Lursa said:
The Constitution is the foundation. That's what I wrote. Sorry if it needed to be clarified.
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Well, that's not what you said. You said it was guns.
 
Lursa said:
Has nothing to do with them being a right. An instinct isnt a right. If those were rights for animals....why isnt there anything protecting their liberty and freedom?

Rights are something recognized by, codified, and enforced by law.
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Self defense is a nstural right.
 
jet57 said:
It's capacity makes it more dangerous; it's a military design with combat capacity, that's why it's chosen: it does what it was designed to do.

The Sig Saur has the same capacity. And if you'll compare the numbers, Virginia Tech had a lower number.
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And I'm sure if the V-TEC shooter had 22000 targets it wouldn't have been.
 
=jet57;1069185563]It's capacity makes it more dangerous; it's a military design with combat capacity, that's why it's chosen: it does what it was designed to do.
Kinda like your much vaunted M-1 carbine? WAIT! I mean M-1/shotgun depending on what your shooting out of it.:mrgreen:
 
zsu2357 said:
=jet57;1069185563]It's capacity makes it more dangerous; it's a military design with combat capacity, that's why it's chosen: it does what it was designed to do.
Kinda like your much vaunted M-1 carbine? WAIT! I mean M-1/shotgun depending on what your shooting out of it.:mrgreen:
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Aahh; the obtuse. They always show up.
 
apdst said:
Freedom and liberty aren't man made. They are natiral instincts that every living creature possesses.

Put an animal in a cage, any animal. Leave the door oppen. What happens? The animal immediately wants to be free of the cage.
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Tell that to slaves.
 
Lursa said:
Yes, that was my point. Someone taking the time to plan for years...that is a very motivated person.

They'll get any weapons and plan any strategies they want.
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That's just it. Why would anyone plan for years and then have money out the butt and use a bump stock? He could have smuggled in LMGs with his money.
 
jet57 said:
No, I get that. What you're not getting however is that by thinning the numbers, we decrease the probability.

That's the goal.
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Thinning the number of law abiding people owning them. And the law abiding people are are the last ones you want to take guns from.
 
jet57 said:
It IS possible Lursa, it is possible. Shut off the supply and and you lower the probabilities. Nobody's gonna make AR15s etc; nobody's going to risk importing assault "weapons".
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Fixed that for you.It would be gun walker in reverse.
 
apdst said:
Are you saying that slaves don't escape when given the chance? :lamo
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Not those tethered by the public umbilical cord and sucking on the public teat
 
Exquisitor said:
The populace must be well armed which means AR-15s and clips.
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Actually the 2nd Amendment reads:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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Which has crossed the eyes of the best legal minds.

Exquisitor said:
Never should anyone of any party attempt to limit these weapons.
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My question would be why are AR's more sacrosanct than any other fire arm? The Federal Firearms act of 1934 "CONTROLLS" machine guns. Why not, why not bump stocks, why not AR's, why not box magazines, why not semi-auto's that use box magazines?

Exquisitor said:
the list
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You're "the list" parameters are way too Orwellian for me.

Exquisitor said:
Only gun dealers can access the list, if you want to know if you’re on it go see a gun dealer.
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Yeah that's total BS, anyone should have access to their "records" without an intermediary anytime.

Exquisitor said:
This is how to handle a fire arm.
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Nothing you've said says "how to handle a fire arm.

Exquisitor said:
Having a firearm is not a right, it’s a duty; get certified.
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Is it a right or not, what does the 2nd mean? Is getting certified part of "well regulated"?
 
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Irwin Corey said:
Actually the 2nd Amendment reads:



Which has crossed the eyes of the best legal minds.



My question would be why are AR's more sacrosanct than any other fire arm? The Federal Firearms act of 1934 "CONTROLLS" machine guns. Why not, why not bump stocks, why not AR's, why not box magazines, why not semi-auto's that use box magazines?



You're "the list" parameters are way too Orwellian for me.



Yeah that's total BS, anyone should have access to their "records" without an intermediary anytime.



Nothing you've said says "how to handle a fire arm.



Is it a right or not, what does the 2nd mean?
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the FDR administration perpetrated a fraud and since Democrats had 20 years of monolithic appointment powers for the federal judiciary, that fraud was allowed to stand.
 
TurtleDude said:
the FDR administration perpetrated a fraud and since Democrats had 20 years of monolithic appointment powers for the federal judiciary, that fraud was allowed to stand.
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It's stood for 84 years through many Republican administrations and Republican controlled Supreme Court's; maybe Kavanaugh will make the difference?

I doubt it, NO ONE want's machine guns on the streets again!

But by all means write to your congressman.
 
Irwin Corey said:
It's stood for 84 years through many Republican administrations and Republican controlled Supreme Court's; maybe Kavanaugh will make the difference?

I doubt it, NO ONE want's machine guns on the streets again!

But by all means write to your congressman.
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there haven't been machine guns on the streets in any relevant amounts ever. try again
 
jet57 said:
Well, that's not what you said. You said it was guns.
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If you read the post, it's not. It's referring to the Constitution. You just read into it what you wanted.
 
apdst said:
Self defense is a nstural right.
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It's not a right unless men recognize it as such.

Otherwise, it's just an instinctive behavior.
 
zsu2357 said:
That's just it. Why would anyone plan for years and then have money out the butt and use a bump stock? He could have smuggled in LMGs with his money.
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Maybe he didnt care if the bump stock did the job?
 
Lursa said:
It's not a right unless men recognize it as such.

Otherwise, it's just an instinctive behavior.
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That isn't how it works. Us non-Leftists understand that.
 
apdst said:
That isn't how it works. Us non-Leftists understand that.
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Really? Please explain how it works.

Any animal uses self-defense to protect itself. It's not a right...but please, explain how 'it works.'
 
Lursa said:
Really? Please explain how it works.

Any animal uses self-defense to protect itself. It's not a right...but please, explain how 'it works.'
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I think you both somewhat agree intrinsically

ecofarm has a good argument concerning natural rights
 
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