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noonereal said:
The question was rhetorical but thanks for the considered reply.

It just makes no sense having a semi automatic in civilians hands.
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How much sense does it make for civilians to have Corvettes? jetskis? Cigar boats? Snowboards? Sailboats? Hummers? Mountain climbing equipment?

Since when does our personal liberty depend on other person's opinions?

And of course...certainly no Constitutional right has the prerequisite to show a 'need.'
 
PleasantValley said:
Example of the OP's world.

a. He visits a therapist.

b. After visit, said therapist decides he no longer has the right of free speech under the first amendment.

c. Said therapist fills out paperwork and submits it through appropriate channels banning OP from participating on internet forums, making his opinion known on any public or private medium, or appearing on any TV show or public venue and talking about anything.

d. OP is good with this as he already said therapists can take away your constitutional rights if they deem it necessary. Which particular one is a moot point.
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Yes, I've been getting that this gives too much power to therapists.

This is why I present my ideas for pier review. Thank you for iterating it.

I have to think on this.

They'd have to have you hospitalized.

If you have a breakdown from depression and have to go to the trauma center this is level two, not too hard to get off, this is all your therapist can get you on.
 
Exquisitor said:
Did you not like my slogan?

Did I tell you something you weren't comfortable with?

I'm only saying that duty is greater than right.

What if my Constitution said every citizen has the duty to bear arms?

Would I have fewer couch potatoes, would there be fewer hoarders would I be more organized?
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Who says that is true? (the bold)

Where did the Founding Fathers express that?
 
Lursa said:
How much sense does it make for civilians to have Corvettes? jetskis? Cigar boats? Snowboards? Sailboats? Hummers? Mountain climbing equipment?

Since when does our personal liberty depend on other person's opinions?

And of course...certainly no Constitutional right has the prerequisite to show a 'need.'
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A right is only because of need.
 
Exquisitor said:
Yes, I've been getting that this gives too much power to therapists.

This is why I present my ideas for pier review. Thank you for iterating it.

I have to think on this.

They'd have to have you hospitalized.

If you have a breakdown from depression and have to go to the trauma center this is level two, not too hard to get off, this is all your therapist can get you on.
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I have been hospitalized for major depression.
I still have my guns and I have never been a threat to myself or anyone else.

What you propose is "guilty until proven innocent"....but we still keep your guns, innocent or not.
This means its ultimate goal is to take away guns and has nothing to do with "safety' or "mental health".

There is a reason despots and dictators ALWAYS DISARM the population before they take away all the other rights.

This is also why I note who wants to take them away.
I ignore their "gun safety' and "common sense" rhetoric.
They want to disarm everyone BEFORE they can remove all our other rights.

Those that focus on taking away guns first have a much larger agenda behind them.

The catch-22 in all this is you have to have people with guns in order to take away guns from people.
 
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Lursa said:
Who says that is true? (the bold)

Where did the Founding Fathers express that?
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I didn't look to see if it was true or not when I said it, I just thought it looked good for my slogan.

Actually duty and right are probably equal.

If you put your rights before your duty you're going to be all screwed up and loose them or not prosper.
 
Exquisitor said:
I didn't look to see if it was true or not when I said it, I just thought it looked good for my slogan.

Actually duty and right are probably equal.

If you put your rights before your duty you're going to be all screwed up and loose them or not prosper.
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I see no direct connection there at all. Can you please give some specific examples? And at least one not related to guns, as we have other rights too. Not sure that it stands up as a blanket statement at all.
 
PleasantValley said:
I have been hospitalized for major depression.
I still have my guns and I have never been a threat to myself or anyone else.

What you propose is "guilty until proven innocent"....but we still keep your guns, innocent or not.
This means its ultimate goal is to take away guns and has nothing to do with "safety' or "mental health".

There is a reason despots and dictators ALWAYS DISARM the population before they take away all the other rights.

This is also why I note who wants to take them away.
I ignore their "gun safety' and "common sense" rhetoric.
They want to disarm everyone BEFORE they can remove all our other rights.

Those that focus on taking away guns first have a much larger agenda behind them.

The catch-22 in all this is you have to have people with guns in order to take away guns from people.
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I've been hospitalized and in my program I would be on level three never able to buy a gun unless I struck it rich and was living out on the forty with the bears and coyotes. Somebody might have to risk loaning me one.

If mental health heard I had a gun they might make me take all kinds of mean medications.
 
Lursa said:
Who says that? Where did that come from?
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I said this.

Why would God give us something we didn't need?

Do you think He fought and died just so we can have a luxury?

Of course the Lord is very luxurious.
 
Lursa said:
I see no direct connection there at all. Can you please give some specific examples? And at least one not related to guns, as we have other rights too. Not sure that it stands up as a blanket statement at all.
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You have a right to free speech and a duty to control your tongue.

If I say too many wrong things here I will die and loose my freedom of speech.
 
Exquisitor said:
Guns

Guns:

The populace must be well armed which means AR-15s and clips.

Never should anyone of any party attempt to limit these weapons.

However I support a strict carry in locked case only for anything without a concealed weapons permit, hunters may unlock their cases when they enter the forest and then you need a hunting license.

I support a buy and no buy list and buy marker on your drivers license or state ID.

Every School system should have gun safety and mental health training with dummy guns to be certified for the buy and license mark lists.

Your County Court may put you on the list and take you off it or file a motion if you were put there by Federal Authorities.

The list affects your ability to buy but no one is taking anyone’s gun away except mental health and law enforcement as is the status quo.

No statistics personal or otherwise should be taken from buy list inquiries, however, f you’re on the no buy list a statistic will be taken.

Only gun dealers can access the list, if you want to know if you’re on it go see a gun dealer.

The list has five categories to and if you seek counseling the practitioner will usually put you on at least the first level for their protection.

Level two means your counseling is more serious, or that charges were successfully brought against you in court for making threatening statements.

Level three means Mental Health takes your gun away.

Levels four means you were put there by Federal Authorities or more seriously by the court and level five is harder to get off.

This is how to handle a fire arm.

Having a firearm is not a right, it’s a duty; get certified.
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Pet peeve, but please educate yourself.

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Also requiring keeping your firearms in a locked case while heading out hunting is retarded.
 
While we're on pet peeves. :lol:

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Exquisitor said:
I'm only saying that duty is greater than right.
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Duty? What duty are you talking about? Is there something in the Constitution that tells the people what their duty is?

What if my Constitution said every citizen has the duty to bear arms?
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Oh...this is the answer to my question. A "what if" hypothetical. So, there is no duty.


But you betray another abject lack of knowledge about our Constitution. You don't understand that our Constitution doesn't tell "every citizen" what they have to do. It tell the citizens what the government has to do...and what they cannot do.
 
Winchester said:
Pet peeve, but please educate yourself.

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Also requiring keeping your firearms in a locked case while heading out hunting is retarded.
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Why can't you get a zipper lock for your case?

Don't you have a case for your gun?
 
Exquisitor said:
I just interpret it in the negative.

I'm kidding, I'm not infringing on anyone's right to bear arms. If you want to bear an arm you have the right to do so, you can get certified, buy a firearm and get a concealed weapons permit and carry your gun however you like.

Of course if you go and point it at someone you're going to go to jail, but this does not infringe on my rights?
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You said it wasn't a right in the OP.
 
Mycroft said:
Duty? What duty are you talking about? Is there something in the Constitution that tells the people what their duty is?

Oh...this is the answer to my question. A "what if" hypothetical. So, there is no duty.

But you betray another abject lack of knowledge about our Constitution. You don't understand that our Constitution doesn't tell "every citizen" what they have to do. It tell the citizens what the government has to do...and what they cannot do.
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And the Government tells the citizens what they may or may not do.
 
Exquisitor said:
And the Government tells the citizens what they may or may not do.
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and it does that properly ONLY when it was given the proper power to do so.
 
Exquisitor said:
And the Government tells the citizens what they may or may not do.
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Sure...as long as it is with their constitutional bounds.

(or when an activist court allows the government to exceed their bounds)

But the Constitution doesn't tell the citizen what to do.
 
noonereal said:
Commonly used for what?
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Are you truly that ignorant? I mean that question sincerely. If you dont know then you would look REALLY ****ing stupid expressing an opinion on it.

DO you know what AR 15s are commonly used for? If not...I will GLADLY tell you. If so, then you should understand just how stupid your question was. Either way....you should realize how TRULY bad you are making yourself look.
 
Exquisitor said:
A right is only because of need.
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Nah. I am with you on the ideological component of 'duty'. Washington himself stated that it was every citizens duty to keep, properly maintain, and be trained in the use of firearms (to be 'well regulated') and to keep an adequate store of ammunition.

But rights...especially the rights discussed in the Bill of Rights do not exist because of 'need'. In fact the Bill of Rights does not set conditions of ownership by citizens. The Bill of Rights RESTRICTS GOVERNMENT. Rights are the arena of the citizen and the citizen has the right to pretty much do whatever the **** he or she wants provided that it doesnt impede, impair, or violate the rights of others.
 
Exquisitor said:
Why can't you get a zipper lock for your case?

Don't you have a case for your gun?
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Why bother? What are you trying to prevent? Going to lock hunters up and take away their guns because they don't lock up their guns in route to hunting? :lol:
 
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