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Cruz intern arrested near Capitol for unregistered ammunition

JasperL said:
There were about 575,000 people arrested for marijuana possession in 2015. I don't know why you're pretending it's rare.
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I never pretend.

500k idiots who were blatant about it, and who were antagonistic when apprehended does not suprise me at all.

And oh, there is a high correlation between illegal drug use and all other criminal behavior, isn't there? IOW if you perp anything from shoplifting to murder 1 there is a good chance investigators are going to turn up some dope in your possession, right?
 
USViking said:
I never pretend.

500k idiots who were blatant about it, and who were antagonistic when apprehended does not suprise me at all.

And oh, there is a high correlation between illegal drug use and all other criminal behavior, isn't there? IOW if you perp anything from shoplifting to murder 1 there is a good chance investigators are going to turn up some dope in your possession, right?
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Criminals may tend to be drug users; that doesn't imply that drug users tend to be criminals.
 
USViking said:
I never pretend.

500k idiots who were blatant about it, and who were antagonistic when apprehended does not suprise me at all.

And oh, there is a high correlation between illegal drug use and all other criminal behavior, isn't there? IOW if you perp anything from shoplifting to murder 1 there is a good chance investigators are going to turn up some dope in your possession, right?
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I see, so if they were arrested, it's their fault, but if you act right, you've got nothing to worry about. Got it. It's a variation of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. Good answer!! :applaud
 
Rucker61 said:
Criminals may tend to be drug users; that doesn't imply that drug users tend to be criminals.
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Huh?

Non-medical use of marijuana is illegal in 28 states. In those you are a criminal every time you light up. Sounds like criminal tendency to me.

And over to alcohol I think it is a safe bet that a majority of users have driven drunk at some time in their lives, 10s of millions of them multiple times. Sounds like criminal tendency to me.
 
JasperL said:
I see, so if they were arrested, it's their fault, but if you act right, you've got nothing to worry about. Got it.
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"Nothing to worry about" is not what I said, and your putting those words in my mouth is a brazen display of the Strawman fallacy.


JasperL said:
It's a variation of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.
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No it is not. Re-read the chapter on fallacies in your Logic 101 text.


JasperL said:
Good answer!!
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Thanks!! Now you're finally on the right track!!
 
USViking said:
"Nothing to worry about" is not what I said, and your putting those words in my mouth is a brazen display of the Strawman fallacy.

No it is not. Re-read the chapter on fallacies in your Logic 101 text.

Thanks!! Now you're finally on the right track!!
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OK, then you were making a point that unintelligible to the rest of us. My apologies for trying to read and understand gibberish.
 
DH Kirkwood said:
There are laws against pot, but that doesn't mean that I agree with them.
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Laws are laws. You don't have to like them, you don't have to agree with them, you just have to obey them or take the consequences.
 
Lutherf said:
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/406608-cruz-intern-arrested-near-capitol-for-unregistered-ammunition



Seriously? They busted the kid because he had shotgun shells in his trunk or the back of his SUV?

I don't see anything about having a gun to shoot the shells out of.

I'm so glad I don't live in a Gestapo environment like that.
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In some states, or in this case district, ammunition is regulated and just having live ammo without any guns, depending on the conditions, can get you in trouble.
 
This is why registration must always be opposed, what a bunch of bull****.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Laws are laws. You don't have to like them, you don't have to agree with them, you just have to obey them or take the consequences.
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If it's smoking pot, or having shotgun shells in the back of my truck, I'll break those laws out of a lack of respect for them, at the risk of those consequences. Other laws are just straight-up unjust, and in those cases, I feel that it's our civic duty to get ourselves arrested while breaking them.
 
JasperL said:
OK, then you were making a point that unintelligible to the rest of us.
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What I was doing was making a point unintelligible to those of you who read at the level of a 4th grader.


JasperL said:
My apologies for trying to read and understand gibberish.
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All sophisticated discourse is gibberish to a 4th-grade level reader.
 
USViking said:
What I was doing was making a point unintelligible to those of you who read at the level of a 4th grader.
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And the point was seemingly that anyone arrested for pot possession was either a criminal or misbehaved when arrested. That's nonsense, and that you and your friends have gotten away with it over the years isn't evidence about what happens to others when for whatever reason they're stopped by police who use any excuse to charge someone and send them to jail. It's illegitimate to assume that 575,000 people per year somehow 'had it coming' for their pot possession arrest, but those who didn't get thrown in jail were somehow more virtuous or whatever.

Besides, any law that depends on its enforcement the whims of the arresting officer isn't a law but a tool of tyranny, abuse. If the law is enforced, it ought to apply to anyone caught with pot for any reason, polite or not, rich, poor, black or white. That's not the case, which is one of obvious and serious problems with our drug laws and especially pot.
 
DH Kirkwood said:
If it's smoking pot, or having shotgun shells in the back of my truck, I'll break those laws out of a lack of respect for them, at the risk of those consequences. Other laws are just straight-up unjust, and in those cases, I feel that it's our civic duty to get ourselves arrested while breaking them.
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Like I said, you have to obey them or take the consequences. If you choose to disobey them that's your choice but there are consequences.
 
JasperL said:
And the point was seemingly that anyone arrested for pot possession was either a criminal...
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There is nothing “seemingly” about it, if possession is illegal in the jurisdiction.


JasperL said:
...or misbehaved when arrested.
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My own experiences with the police have not involved detection of pot, but in some cases could have if I had acted like a jerk.

Once I had to get out of the car for the flashlight-in-your-face treatment. There were two or three joints in the car in a cigarette pack which I had foolishly not concealed. On that occasion I was sober, but could have gotten a ticket for defective equipment (one turn signal light was not fully illuminating). The cop did not look inside the car, and I got no ticket.


JasperL said:
That's nonsense, and that you and your friends...
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Not my friends, me.

I smoked ounces of pot on visits with them. They totally abstained. What great friends! Besides being lovable people who put me up for weeks I didn't have to worry about them bumming my dope! I don't think either one of them has ever gotten a vehicular moving violation either.


JasperL said:
have gotten away with it over the years isn't evidence
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Not “evidence”, but “inference”. Are you familiar with the concept? Something got me off all those times the police had me dead to rights, and it wasn't my good looks, that's for sure. The only reasonable explanation is my good manners- I therefore infer that if good manners cut the odds in my favor they should do the same for others.


JasperL said:
about what happens to others when for whatever reason they're stopped by police who use any excuse to charge someone and send them to jail.
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Good manners don't work with bad cops.


JasperL said:
It's illegitimate to assume that 575,000 people per year somehow 'had it coming' for their pot possession arrest, but those who didn't get thrown in jail were somehow more virtuous or whatever.
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Some were just unlucky, but others did get what they deserved for recklessness while in possession of contraband.

I was also reckless, but under conditions where the virtue of mannerly behavior could save me.


JasperL said:
Besides, any law that depends on its enforcement the whims of the arresting officer isn't a law but a tool of tyranny, abuse. If the law is enforced, it ought to apply to anyone caught with pot for any reason, polite or not, rich, poor, black or white. That's not the case, which is one of obvious and serious problems with our drug laws and especially pot.
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Off-topic.

Our conversation does not concern the philosophy of law enforcement ethics.
 
The politicians who passed such a law should be removed from office and the judges who allowed it to stand should suffer impeachment
 
Wait people have to register ammo there? What the heck is wrong with dc! I have plenty of ammo I am stocking up on, no not for the zombie apacolypse but the much tastier deer apacolypse. The horror it would be to have to register every round.
 
beerftw said:
Wait people have to register ammo there? What the heck is wrong with dc! I have plenty of ammo I am stocking up on, no not for the zombie apacolypse but the much tastier deer apacolypse. The horror it would be to have to register every round.
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DC has a communist government.
 
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