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Cordelier said:
First off, I'm not your son.

Secondly... if you're older than about 25 or so, then you've squandered a fair amount of the wisdom you should have been picking up along the way. Ain't much use getting older if you don't get wiser.

Third, there's not a whole lot of leadership in putting people into a fight they can't win. Get semi-auto rifles off the streets - where they have no business being - and then anyone who carries a handgun for self-defense is at least on a somewhat level playing field in confronting a shooter.
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that's just silly gun banning nonsense there. Since criminals don't obey laws, you want to handicap honest citizens from owning the most effective and versatile self defense weapon one can own short of a select fire carbine.
 
Cordelier said:
I never claimed any expertise. Claims are your kettle of fish. I know what I know, and that's all you need to know.

I will give you this tip, though, for future reference... and you can take it or leave it as you will... but giving too much unnecessary detail is a prime tell when someone isn't being entirely truthful. But I guess they must have taught you that in Law 101 at Cornell & Stanford.
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you think I attended TWO law schools? LOL those were two of the first schools I was admitted to-along with about 8 more or so. But the fact is, when we scrape away the facade of BS you have erected, the silly constitutional theory nonsense you spewed, what we are left with is just another gun banning advocate who wants to make society safer for violent criminals.
 
Cordelier said:
Number of deaths is irrelevant... 1 death a year is too many if there is no benefit to be derived from the cost.

Secondly... common use for lawful purposes. Who gets to define what a "lawful purpose" is?
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OMG the stupidity of this question is off the charts.
 
Cordelier said:
Number of deaths is irrelevant... 1 death a year is too many if there is no benefit to be derived from the cost.

Secondly... common use for lawful purposes. Who gets to define what a "lawful purpose" is?
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Congress did so in the Gun Control Act of 1968.

... use of firearms appropriate to the purpose of hunting, trapshooting, target shooting, personal protection, or any other lawful activity". It's in the opening paragraph. N Kolbe v Hogan, the 4th Circuit Court affirmed that for the vast majority of owners semiauto rifles are in common use for lawful purposes.
 
TurtleDude said:
you think I attended TWO law schools? LOL those were two of the first schools I was admitted to-along with about 8 more or so....
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I've got to be honest with you, Turtle... the odds of you getting into my pants are nil. I just thought I'd let you know so you can lay off trying to impress me so much.
 
Rucker61 said:
Congress did so in the Gun Control Act of 1968.

... use of firearms appropriate to the purpose of hunting, trapshooting, target shooting, personal protection, or any other lawful activity". It's in the opening paragraph. N Kolbe v Hogan, the 4th Circuit Court affirmed that for the vast majority of owners semiauto rifles are in common use for lawful purposes.
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I didn't say they weren't... under existing law.
 
Cordelier said:
I've got to be honest with you, Turtle... the odds of you getting into my pants are nil. I just thought I'd let you know so you can lay off trying to impress me so much.
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I am not here to impress you. Rather I am pointing out how pathetic your arguments are. Its rather easy but some who read these boards haven't figured out how dishonest and incompetent the anti gun arguments are. Rucker and I are educating those people.
 
Cordelier said:
I didn't say they weren't... under existing law.
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since you want to ban such rifles, you'd claim there are no lawful uses for them.
 
Cordelier said:
I didn't say they weren't... under existing law.
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What could possibly change to make target shooting, hunting and personal protection unlawful uses for semiautomatic rifles, but not for any other firearms?
 
Cordelier said:
Number of deaths is irrelevant... 1 death a year is too many if there is no benefit to be derived from the cost.

Secondly... common use for lawful purposes. Who gets to define what a "lawful purpose" is?
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I'm seeing this question a lot. Is Civics not taught in high school anymore?
 
Cordelier said:
An untrained, inexperienced civilian returning fire? Absolutely they'd be a danger. The more bullets that are flying around, the more people are going to get hit.
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Tell us about all the times it's happened so far. Please...let's see the links.

It has, I"m sure, but millions of Americans cc out in public every day.

Let's see...show us the terrible accidents out in public.
 
Cordelier said:
Number of deaths is irrelevant... 1 death a year is too many if there is no benefit to be derived from the cost.

Secondly... common use for lawful purposes. Who gets to define what a "lawful purpose" is?
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So then, for those of us that would choose those as appropriate self defense weapons...are our lives worth less than other people's? Is just 'one death' of a gun owner's not included in your 'one death?' When we could have used one to save our own lives?
 
Lursa said:
How does training or lack of it affect gun crime?
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Many who are not serious about guns and just want to use them for illegal purposes would not make thru the training.
 
vegas giants said:
Many who are not serious about guns and just want to use them for illegal purposes would not make thru the training.
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That didnt answer the question. How does training or lack of it affect gun crime?

Do criminals need training to commit gun crimes?
 
Lursa said:
That didnt answer the question. How does training or lack of it affect gun crime?

Do criminals need training to commit gun crimes?
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If they don't make it thru training they can not buy a registered gun. It will be much harder for them to get a gun
 
vegas giants said:
If they don't make it thru training they can not buy a registered gun. It will be much harder for them to get a gun
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We already know they dont and often cant get guns legally.

How does training stop criminals from committing crimes with guns?

How does it prevent suicides?
 
Lursa said:
We already know they dont and often cant get guns legally.

How does training stop criminals from committing crimes with guns?

How does it prevent suicides?
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the only way to stop suicides with guns (since punishment has zero use) is to confiscate all guns from people long before they demonstrate any signs of being suicidal. I have known two people who committed suicides with guns. I interviewed the clerk who sold one of the two a pistol. this was before the Brady act but since she was the mother of one of my HS classmates (this took place 9 years after I had last seen him) and a teacher at the school we attended,I knew her well and she had a clean record and was part of one of the more well-off families in Cincinnati. There was absolutely no warning and while it was not required, the store (near the community) where she bought the pistol called the local village police as was their practice. No indication at all of any issues.
 
Wayne Jr said:
There's nothing wrong with a little training.
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is demanding a test on politics as a prerequisite to vote ok with you? do you think people who will use guns illegally or are already banned from owning them legally, will line up for training/ Most of you all examine an idea-and when it sounds good, you never take the next step of asking-how will this idea actually work (or more likely not work) in the real world.
 
Lursa said:
We already know they dont and often cant get guns legally.

How does training stop criminals from committing crimes with guns?

How does it prevent suicides?
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Less guns will be available for criminals to easily get. It is super easy now to get a gun....that will become harder for a criminal. You see....saving lives.
 
vegas giants said:
Less guns will be available for criminals to easily get. It is super easy now to get a gun....that will become harder for a criminal. You see....saving lives.
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How is training stopping criminals from stealing guns? Gun owners already have lots of guns for them to steal. New people will still be forced to AND take the training. Less for the honest does not mean less for criminals...they'll steal from those that DO have.

And they already have the guns too

So you see...not saving lives. Training is a BS excuse to stop gun crime.
 
Lursa said:
How is training stopping criminals from stealing guns? Gun owners already have lots of guns for them to steal. New people will still be forced to AND take the training. Less for the honest does not mean less for criminals...they'll steal from those that DO have.

And they already have the guns too

So you see...not saving lives. Training is a BS excuse to stop gun crime.
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It is stopping criminals from ACQUIRING guns. Most criminals are morons who if they can not get a gun easily will just give up.

Face it.....this stuff works. Or maybe you can name me a large city, state or country that has low gun deaths and lax gun control. LOL
 
Cordelier said:
It wasn't your brains, Rucker... it was your attitude. I don't know you from a hill of beans but I can tell you've got no business being in the field. Butterbars like you get people killed.
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Let me get this straight here. You say "I don't know you from a hill of beans" but yet you can say it's not his brains but attitude?
 
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