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How come the Thoughts and Prayers aren't working?

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ataraxia said:
Oh I see. But those arguing here that the 2nd amendment gives them the completely unregulated right to haul around artillery with live ammo wherever they want are just so smart. Thanks guys for the education!
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you're lying. no one has said that.
 
How come the Thoughts and Prayers aren't working?
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Probably for the same reason this isn't working;

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Both provide a false sense of security, neither will save your life, and believing to much in either may get you killed.
 
TurtleDude said:
you're lying. no one has said that.
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Can you call plain that to the poster in post #368? He thinks I’m a liberal gun grabber so he won’t believe me. Maybe you can do a better job.
 
ataraxia said:
Those nut jobs are your friends, family, kids, etc, who have too easy an access to them. You want to be free to have your own Howitzer with live ammo? For what purpose?
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I am free to have my own howitzer with live ammo.
 
ataraxia said:
Can you call plain that to the poster in post #368? He thinks I’m a liberal gun grabber so he won’t believe me. Maybe you can do a better job.
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are you denying you are a liberal and support gun bans? He said you can own artillery without a permit-that is true depending on the artillery in question
 
ataraxia said:
Oh, and now post #405.

I am still lying?
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you are confused-you claim people said there should be no restrictions and confusing what they said about what you CAN do. he can own a howitzer that shoots an inert ball. You cannot own explosive cannon shells without a tax stamp. I can make a device that will shoot a bowling ball 900 yards without a permit. I cannot own an exploding cannon ball without a tax stamp
 
ataraxia said:
Are you telling me there are no bans on any machine gun sales? Can I buy an M16 built in 1987?

Come on, man. Stop playing games
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Most of us cannot. A Title II maker or a Class III dealer with a police request or military contract can
 
TurtleDude said:
Most of us cannot. A Title II maker or a Class III dealer with a police request or military contract can
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Interestingly, there are about 175, 000 pre-ban machine guns registered with ATF. There are about 300,000 post-ban sample registered with ATF, meaning that it evidently isn't that hard to qualify for ownership as a dealer.
 
TurtleDude said:
you are confused-you claim people said there should be no restrictions and confusing what they said about what you CAN do. he can own a howitzer that shoots an inert ball. You cannot own explosive cannon shells without a tax stamp. I can make a device that will shoot a bowling ball 900 yards without a permit. I cannot own an exploding cannon ball without a tax stamp
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Canister shot would be legal, too.
 
Rucker61 said:
Interestingly, there are about 175, 000 pre-ban machine guns registered with ATF. There are about 300,000 post-ban sample registered with ATF, meaning that it evidently isn't that hard to qualify for ownership as a dealer.
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when I was in private practice (85-90) we looked into the post ban requirements. Most of those are possessed by Title II Manufacturers. To be a dealer and possess one, you have to have a request letter. now, in some cases its easy to get. but its still not very palatable way for most gun collectors

I have yet to hear a rational argument for the Hughes Amendment. we will get nonsense from say faux NCOs or other statists claiming "no one should be able to play with army toys" and other such rot.
 
TurtleDude said:
Most of us cannot. A Title II maker or a Class III dealer with a police request or military contract can
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That’s what I’m saying. Are you saying this is the slippery slope to communist tyranny? Or some regulations like this are OK?
 
ataraxia said:
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That’s what I’m saying. Are you saying this is the slippery slope to communist tyranny? Or some regulations like this are OK?
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Neither TD nor I agree that the restrictions imposed by the Hughes Amendment are necessary or "OK".
 
ataraxia said:
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That’s what I’m saying. Are you saying this is the slippery slope to communist tyranny? Or some regulations like this are OK?
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did you even read the thread? regulations punishing harmful USES of guns are common sense (its illegal to shoot someone while robbing him)

regulations banning clearly unsafe firearms use or possession is proper (you cannot be using a firearm while drunk or if you are have violent felony convictions, nor can you discharge firearms urban areas outdoors)

laws that interfere with people of age with clean records buying, owning, using in a non harmful manner, any firearm are not common sense and are not proper
 
TurtleDude said:
did you even read the thread? regulations punishing harmful USES of guns are common sense (its illegal to shoot someone while robbing him)

regulations banning clearly unsafe firearms use or possession is proper (you cannot be using a firearm while drunk or if you are have violent felony convictions, nor can you discharge firearms urban areas outdoors)

laws that interfere with people of age with clean records buying, owning, using in a non harmful manner, any firearm are not common sense and are not proper
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So then there should be nothing wrong with my Howitzer with live ammo. I want to target practice with it. Who are you to interfere?

There are no safe, legal uses for assault weapons. They are weapons designed for mass murder. A handful of people in the country may need them to defend against mountain lions or something. They can apply for and get special licenses. Those wanting to telarget practice with them can obtain them for use on the range only, where they will be kept.
 
ataraxia said:
So then there should be nothing wrong with my Howitzer with live ammo. I want to target practice with it. Who are you to interfere?

There are no safe, legal uses for assault weapons. They are weapons designed for mass murder. A handful of people in the country may need them to defend against mountain lions or something. They can apply for and get special licenses. Those wanting to telarget practice with them can obtain them for use on the range only, where they will be kept.
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this sort of blatant dishonesty or stupidity is just so overboard you will never be able to gain any credibility with anyone who even has a slight knowledge of guns
 
legitimate and lawful use of things the GCAs call "assault weapons"
US National rifle championships-these have been going on for decades-long before the leftwing tried to ban guns


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Christian Reitz-Olympic Rapid Fire Gold medalist-his pistol is considered an "assault weapon" by California. another lawful and Legitimate use of such a firearm


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ataraxia said:
So then there should be nothing wrong with my Howitzer with live ammo. I want to target practice with it. Who are you to interfere?

There are no safe, legal uses for assault weapons. They are weapons designed for mass murder.
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You're either stupid or a liar. It's already been explained to you that the AR-15 is the semi-automatic version of the M-16, and no service rifle was ever designed for mass murder. It's not a military specification. Every firearm type except single shot firearms have been used in mass murders.

We have 15 million "assault weapons". If there were no safe, legal uses, then we'd have millions of mass murders with them every year. We don't. In fact, in 2005, 2008-2010 and 2014 there were exactly zero mass shootings involving "assault weapons" accord to Mother Jones data. On average since 2004, there have been an annual average of 13 people killed with "assault weapons" in mass shootings. 15 million guns, 13 average annual deaths.

The opening paragraph of the Gun Control Act of 1968 includes this phrase: "...law-abiding citizens with respect to the acquisition, possession, or use of firearms appropriate to the purpose of hunting, trapshooting, target shooting, personal protection, or any other lawful activity...". That's what are considered safe, lawful uses of firearms.

Common legal uses for AR-15s and similar firearms:

1. Long distance shooting. Service Rifle - Civilian Marksmanship ProgramCivilian Marksmanship Program

2. Competition - News | 3 Gun Nation

3. Practice – for long distance or competition

4. Plinking/recreational shooting – cheapest centerfire ammo, low recoil, adaptable frame.

5. Varmint hunting - 10 1/2 Inch A4 Upper Half

6. Big game hunting, in the proper caliber and legal magazine. - http://www.fieldandstream.com/artic...r-style-rifles-chambered-for-big-game-hunting

7. Self-defense. - Ultimate .300 Blackout Ammo Test - Shooting Times
 
Hunting with an "assault weapon"

another legal use of things one gun banner told us has no legitimate use. this rifle is made by Windham Weaponry (the Original and BEST Bushmaster rifle maker)


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Haha thats the most ridiculous statement ive ever heard... "people who want to do something are a bad idea"? Youre a ****ing moron.
 
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