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If More Guns = More Crime Police Wouldn't Carry Them

vegas giants said:
They have a 7 day waiting period. Along with the necessary waiting period, a prospective purchaser of a handgun must also complete a handgun instruction and safety course. This requirement may be met by completing one of the following:


Completion of the state-issued hunter safety course.


Completion of the pistol safety course administered by the Department of Environmental Management, as well as the administered test.


Passing the DEM handgun safety test.
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The instruction and safety course only applies to hand guns not long guns and it only applies to purchasing guns, you don't have to fulfill those requirements if you've already got guns and you're bringing them to RI. You are not required to register guns in RI and getting a carry permit is not that hard if you go through the proper procedures. RI gun laws are quite lax when compared to those of NY, NJ, CA, CT, and HI, all of which RI beats out in having a lower number of gun deaths per capita. While I do think RI gun laws could use some improvement, I must say they are quite lax when looking at the big picture.
 
vegas giants said:
I just keep asking for this large city or country that has lax gun laws and low gun deaths. I never get an answer. LOL


The gun nuts hate that one.
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And the gun control nuts hate it when you look at overall homicide rates in different places and don't limit it to just gun deaths.
 
DebateChallenge said:
And the gun control nuts hate it when you look at overall homicide rates in different places and don't limit it to just gun deaths.
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Let's only talk about SOME gun deaths. Lol
 
DebateChallenge said:
The instruction and safety course only applies to hand guns not long guns and it only applies to purchasing guns, you don't have to fulfill those requirements if you've already got guns and you're bringing them to RI. You are not required to register guns in RI and getting a carry permit is not that hard if you go through the proper procedures. RI gun laws are quite lax when compared to those of NY, NJ, CA, CT, and HI, all of which RI beats out in having a lower number of gun deaths per capita. While I do think RI gun laws could use some improvement, I must say they are quite lax when looking at the big picture.
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Should we make those laws federal? Yes or no?
 
DebateChallenge said:
People talk about how more guns leads to more crime. Well if that were the case police wouldn't carry guns. After all, the very purpose of police officers is to reduce and stop crime, certainly they wouldn't carry guns if guns worked contrary to what they're doing.
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More guns leads to more crime because there are too many errant guns: there are way too many being manufactured and sold. People don't take good care and their guns wind up on the streets, so criminals have more access to them.
 
vegas giants said:
Should we make those laws federal? Yes or no?
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I don't agree with it entirely. Making a federal law that would require a safety course prior to buying handguns might be tricky as it could be in violation of the 2A however it can be argued that the safety course is only required to buy guns, not to own guns. That being said Im not entirely in agreement with requiring the completion of a safety course before purchasing handguns but as far as making RI gun laws federal, I would be OK with that, or at least I would see it as a step in the right direction, if we also did not allow any individual state to make any further gun regulations or restrictions.
 
jet57 said:
More guns leads to more crime because there are too many errant guns: there are way too many being manufactured and sold. People don't take good care and their guns wind up on the streets, so criminals have more access to them.
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You can thank the Obama administration for that.
 
jet57 said:
More guns leads to more crime because there are too many errant guns: there are way too many being manufactured and sold. People don't take good care and their guns wind up on the streets, so criminals have more access to them.
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this is typical nonsense we expect from the anti gun side-its a complaint with no valid solution. If you read between the lines-he wants to ban guns so criminals supposedly won't have access to them. ask him what his solutions to this are-you won't get a sensible answer
 
jet57 said:
WTF dude? Obama manufactured all those guns... right - sure - whatever you say
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how many AR 15s were bought because of Obama and his bannerrhoid allies in the Dem party howling for bans? My bet-several MILLION
 
TurtleDude said:
how many AR 15s were bought because of Obama and his bannerrhoid allies in the Dem party howling for bans? My bet-several MILLION
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Obama was definitely the best gun salesman in a long time. He also sold thousands to mexican drug cartels.
 
Anarchon said:
Obama was definitely the best gun salesman in a long time. He also sold thousands to mexican drug cartels.
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The Lobby for the American gun trade gave Obama its "salesman of the year" award
 
DebateChallenge said:
I don't agree with it entirely. Making a federal law that would require a safety course prior to buying handguns might be tricky as it could be in violation of the 2A however it can be argued that the safety course is only required to buy guns, not to own guns. That being said Im not entirely in agreement with requiring the completion of a safety course before purchasing handguns but as far as making RI gun laws federal, I would be OK with that, or at least I would see it as a step in the right direction, if we also did not allow any individual state to make any further gun regulations or restrictions.
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The gun nuts will call you a bannerhoid
 
jet57 said:
WTF dude? Obama manufactured all those guns... right - sure - whatever you say
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More guns were manufactured and sold during his administration than any other. Whether or not he directly or indirectly influenced that, I will let you draw your own conclusion.
 
vegas giants said:
How about talking about all gun deaths
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Alright well if you want to talk about all gun deaths that would be homicide, suicide, and accidental deaths. Im all good with that as long as we also talk about homicide, suicide, and accidental deaths from all other means as well.
 
vegas giants said:
The gun nuts will call you a bannerhoid
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I don't agree with having to pass a safety course (which would be set by the government) and a seven day waiting period but if every state had to have gun laws just like RI I would say it would overall be an improvement. It would definitely be an improvement for states such as NJ, NY, CA, MA, HI, MD, and some others. Ideally though, you should not have to pass a safety course or have a 7 day waiting period.
 
DebateChallenge said:
More guns were manufactured and sold during his administration than any other. Whether or not he directly or indirectly influenced that, I will let you draw your own conclusion.
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I'm not talking about the paranoid ravings and habits of the gullible gun crowd. I'm talking about proliferation as a problem.
 
jet57 said:
I'm not talking about the paranoid ravings and habits of the gullible gun crowd. I'm talking about proliferation as a problem.
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sadly for you -the number of guns in circulation is way up, gun crime is down. The localized areas where gun crime is up-are areas run by anti gun dems. So the paranoid rantings and ravings are coming from the anti gun side
 
DebateChallenge said:
I don't agree with it entirely. Making a federal law that would require a safety course prior to buying handguns might be tricky as it could be in violation of the 2A however it can be argued that the safety course is only required to buy guns, not to own guns. That being said Im not entirely in agreement with requiring the completion of a safety course before purchasing handguns but as far as making RI gun laws federal, I would be OK with that, or at least I would see it as a step in the right direction, if we also did not allow any individual state to make any further gun regulations or restrictions.
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It is an infringement. If you don't wish to respect the law, why do you advocate having a government?
 
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