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Corporate Gun Control Might Be the Worst Threat to Gun Rights

WCH said:
If you're trying to tie this to baking [or not] a cake for someone, forget it.

Not hiring someone or not allowing a purchase on a card just because they are a gun owner is a major concern.
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A business that claims to be open to the public denying service to members of the public on the basis of an identity they can't control is just as big a deal.

If you've got a problem with private business discriminating in one of these fashions, but not the other, you're a bigot and a hypocrite. And if you think both forms of discrimination are a-okay because they're private businesses... you just might be a Libertarian.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Are we making an argument that a business has to do business with someone?
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The banking system functions with taxpayer money. As it move money too and fro, it takes a percentage and that's how banks make money.

It's only a matter of time until a lawsuit is filed for discrimination against a lawful activity with the use of federal funds. In addition, the boiler place of corporate charters has to be approved by the SEC to get listed on the stock exchanges, and I doubt they will prevail there either. Once you go public, you really have lost a lot of autonomy.

Like most things the liberals do, it's unconstitutional and they get away with it for awhile until they trip on their schlort, and get sued.
 
WCH said:
This is the CEOs of corporations using their power to control human behavior based on their ideology. It's still politics and can and will be counteracted.

The Nazis use some of the same tactics to disarm their political enemies.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2013/12/how-nazis-used-gun-control-stephen-p-halbrook/
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1) I agree, this is very concerning. I'm not arguing with you on the issue of gun control.

2) Corporations have used their power to control human behavior based on their ideology any number of times. They have used their power to change economies, to redistribute wealth, to change laws, to remove regulations and barriers that protect citizens...this is common. The reason you, as a conservative, are getting called out is that conservatives have traditionally supported this, but now that it might impact you, you are upset. Maybe when you realize the "us vs. them" scenario isn't a "left vs right" thing, but a "citizen vs corporation" thing, you'll start supporting others, and receive their support in return.
 
I think anyone that gets assaulted or mugged etc.. in these private companies that are "gun free zones".. shoulds sue these companies since if they are preventing ithe right to self defense.. then obviously.. they are assuming the responsibility for that persons safety.

I used that argument successfully when a local school wanted to expel a friend of mines son for defending himself. I threatened them with a lawsuit. stating that if the child did not have a right to defend himself, then any injuries etc.. that were inflicted on him by the person that started the fight (and it was on video).. are the schools responsibility since they are then responsible for his safety.

That includes the bruises, the doctors bill, the PTSD treatment, and so on...

The school opted to allow the child to return to school.
 
WCH said:
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Corporate Gun Control Might Be the Worst Threat to Gun Rights
By DAVID FRENCH
August 21, 2018 2:49 PM

A no gun sign is seen posted outside a hotel in Sikeston, Mo., May 17, 2018. (Shannon Stapleton/Reuters)
It’s time to shine a light on a serious problem.
Let’s be honest. If you own guns or you’re a gun-rights supporter, and if you’re concerned about government restrictions on your Second Amendment rights, the future looks bright. The elevation of Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court may well represent the death knell for draconian forms of gun control — including bans on so-called “assault weapons” and bans on standard-capacity magazines in semi-automatic pistols and rifles.

Moreover, meaningful federal gun control has been blocked for a generation, and red-state legislatures are moving almost uniformly to liberalize state gun laws. Witness, for example, the steady spread of “constitutional carry” in red states across the land.

But another threat looms, one that can stretch across the entire American landscape, is immune to the filibuster, and is largely sheltered from judicial review. It’s a threat that can choke off financing for the gun industry, stifle speech about guns, and lock the gun-rights community into offline (and small online) ghettos that restrict their ability to communicate.

So, what’s happening? Titans of American banking and communication are taking steps to restrict the use of their funds or platforms by gun makers, gun-rights advocates, and others. The threat is just now emerging, but it may be as great a danger to gun rights as it is to the culture of free speech in this nation, and indeed the two are linked.

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https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/08/corporate-gun-control-worst-threat-gun-rights/

Imagined one of your prerequisites for being hired is to be unarmed.
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You can not protect the second amendment by attacking people who are using the first amendment.
 
Yes_Minister said:
Well tough luck, conservatives insist on almost unlimited corporate power and were fine with them polluting the environment or dark money in politics, but when corporations do something you do not like, now you are unhappy with corporate power.

Well too late, the GOP are bunch of corporate stooges who only care about their donors and guys like you let this happen. Frankly conservatives should get a taste of their medicine when it comes to corporate power.
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You do realize the CEOs doing this are Leftists, right?

BTW, show me where the Left aren't in the pockets of these financial giants?

We need to combine our efforts to thwart these bastards. They are the global enemy.
 
WCH said:
You do realize the CEOs doing this are Leftists, right?

BTW, show me where the Left aren't in the pockets of these financial giants?

We need to combine our efforts to thwart these bastards. They are the global enemy.
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I don't think there is any evidence for that. These decisions have to go thru the Board.

But they certainly have a right to do it
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
A business that claims to be open to the public denying service to members of the public on the basis of an identity they can't control is just as big a deal.

If you've got a problem with private business discriminating in one of these fashions, but not the other, you're a bigot and a hypocrite. And if you think both forms of discrimination are a-okay because they're private businesses... you just might be a Libertarian.
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Not getting a cake baked/designed vs having your Constitutional rights to protect yourself removed are far from being the same.

That being said, I don't want the government making decisions about either one. Let the private market decide.
 
OlNate said:
1) I agree, this is very concerning. I'm not arguing with you on the issue of gun control.

2) Corporations have used their power to control human behavior based on their ideology any number of times. They have used their power to change economies, to redistribute wealth, to change laws, to remove regulations and barriers that protect citizens...this is common. The reason you, as a conservative, are getting called out is that conservatives have traditionally supported this, but now that it might impact you, you are upset. Maybe when you realize the "us vs. them" scenario isn't a "left vs right" thing, but a "citizen vs corporation" thing, you'll start supporting others, and receive their support in return.
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I believe I made myself clear in this thread that I don't want the government involved and that it is the corporations and financial institutions at fault here..
 
WCH said:
I believe I made myself clear in this thread that I don't want the government involved and that it is the corporations and financial institutions at fault here..
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I'm not sure what that has to do with what I wrote. I'm kind of agreeing with you...
 
vegas giants said:
Maybe you should ask him
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So, you don't know if he was lying or not. You are just going to assume. Why? Here at DP Moderators are quite open as to how we control and prevent acting in a biased way. Why isn't Zuckerberg? It's not exactly something that needs hidden.....unless there is a reason to hide it......
 
Kal'Stang said:
So, you don't know if he was lying or not. You are just going to assume. Why? Here at DP Moderators are quite open as to how we control and prevent acting in a biased way. Why isn't Zuckerberg? It's not exactly something that needs hidden.....unless there is a reason to hide it......
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I don't know if you are lying. Where is your evidence?
 
vegas giants said:
I don't know if you are lying. Where is your evidence?
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About how Moderators are quite open as to how we control and prevent acting in a biased way? Ask any Mod that isn't me and you'll get the same response. Hell, ask anyone that isn't a CTer.

Now, are you going to answer my question? Or are you going to try and deflect again? I don't know about you but personally I'm able to respond to all points in a post if I so choose to. Can't you?
 
i don't really want a bunch of my coworkers walking around strapped at work shooting their toes off by accident in the cafeteria. judging by the fact that roughly a quarter of them can't even manage to get the toilet paper into the toilet, that would probably happen, too.

as for corporate suppression of rights, though, yes, i agree. we are a corporatocracy, a bit of an oligarchy, and a kakistocracy.
 
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