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A simple path to never needed to own a gun

ryzorsden said:
Here is a simple path for all of you that will alleviate you of the need to buy a gun. Now, the nightmare (or dream) scenario for every gun owner is if someone breaks into your home with intent to harm/kill. Unfortunately, those scenarios are just not that likely to happen. Home burglaries are no uncommon. But here's a easy path that anybody with true will can follow in order to statistically never need a gun in your home.

First, you need to make a decent living by:

Get a High School diploma and a college degree if you're smart enough.

Don't commit any felonies.

Get a decent paying job.

Move to a neighborhood that does not encounter crime as often (suburbs).

Get an alarm system.

Get a german shepherd.

That's it. If you can't do any of these, then you are setting yourself up to either living poor and being an easy target for crime, or not utilizing simple resources to prevent people from breaking into your home.


Oh, and for those that like to carry their guns around town. Here's some tips that will make it so you won't have to carry a gun.

1. Don't be a prick in public.

2. Don't go to convenience stores in sketchy neighborhood, especially at night time.

3. Make sure you do your shopping in a safer part of town, or just a nice town like we talked about above.


Just like that, you've taken some preventative measures to ensure you never need to own a gun. Every measure above is very easy to obtain if you work hard. None of them will be much of a burden to you, outside of the dog. If you're allergic to dogs, not much else for ya on that one. But the tips listed are all things you should be striving for anyways.

That way you won't have to live in fear and feel implored to buy a gun. Which will up the chances of anybody in that home being harmed by that gun by about 25%.....
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I just leave a note on the table

"Watch out for the Taipan he escaped last night and is in the flat somewhere :D
 
ryzorsden said:
I ask you the same question. You conservative gun nuts live in this little paranoid world in which everyone is out to get you, and that you'll have to take up arms against the government. Spoiler alert: its 2018. With technology, the government could crush us.
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Spoiler alert? Crush whom?
 
ryzorsden said:
I ask you the same question. You conservative gun nuts live in this little paranoid world in which everyone is out to get you, and that you'll have to take up arms against the government. Spoiler alert: its 2018. With technology, the government could crush us.
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And you want to make sure there is no resistance to crushing, but the truth is, very few of us buy a gun with concern for "Government" tyranny and get guns because:
We like to shoot them
We like to hunt
We want to be able, should the need arise, to defend our homes from criminals
We want to be able, should the need arise, defend ourselves, our loved ones and maybe even others in public should the need arise.
And finally, should the Gov't ever turn to a point where armed resistance is the last resort yes, having a gun would greatly assist that cause.
 
ryzorsden said:
I ask you the same question. You conservative gun nuts live in this little paranoid world in which everyone is out to get you, and that you'll have to take up arms against the government. Spoiler alert: its 2018. With technology, the government could crush us.
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Finally, ryzorsden has spoken. However, ryzorsden, you've not addressed the points I've made.
 
=ryzorsden;1068868612]Here is a simple path for all of you that will alleviate you of the need to buy a gun. Now, the nightmare (or dream) scenario for every gun owner is if someone breaks into your home with intent to harm/kill. Unfortunately, those scenarios are just not that likely to happen. Home burglaries are no uncommon. But here's a easy path that anybody with true will can follow in order to statistically never need a gun in your home.
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First, you need to make a decent living by:

Get a High School diploma and a college degree if you're smart enough.
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Just your average GED. Still "made a decent living" whatever that means. Your criteria I guess.
Don't commit any felonies.
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Good there. Though I got a ticket for speeding 28 years ago. $400,paid about 40 and the rest dropped.
Get a decent paying job.
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Had one 20 years until fired. Cutbacks they say.
Move to a neighborhood that does not encounter crime as often (suburbs).
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Yeah right. Perfect target since apparently one doesn't "encounter crime as often".
Get an alarm system.
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I'm glad your made of money.
Get a german shepherd.
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Why a German Shepard? Got 2 Lab/ Beagles 53 lbs and 72 lbs and a highly trained 9mm.
That's it. If you can't do any of these, then you are setting yourself up to either living poor and being an easy target for crime, or not utilizing simple resources to prevent people from breaking into your home.
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You forgot about years of martial arts training (which is pretty much worthless against a gun)assuming you got the money to shell out.
Oh, and for those that like to carry their guns around town. Here's some tips that will make it so you won't have to carry a gun.
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1. Don't be a prick in public.
I see lots of people in public that don't act that way and I imagine more than a few are armed. In fact I can't really recall the last time I saw one of your pricks in public.
2.
Don't go to convenience stores in sketchy neighborhood, especially at night time.
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In other words let the criminal element dictate your life for you.
3. Make sure you do your shopping in a safer part of town, or just a nice town like we talked about above.
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What exactly is a safer part of town? That's what a criminal thinks,safer for him and more profitable. After all who dosen't want a safe work environment.
Just like that, you've taken some preventative measures to ensure you never need to own a gun. Every measure above is very easy to obtain if you work hard. None of them will be much of a burden to you, outside of the dog. If you're allergic to dogs, not much else for ya on that one. But the tips listed are all things you should be striving for anyways.

That way you won't have to live in fear and feel implored to buy a gun. Which will up the chances of anybody in that home being harmed by that gun by about 25%.....
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And you really think that's THE answer?Surprise! I have done most of that(not all).But we all can't be born with a silver spoon in our mouths now can we? But what do all of your little tips have to do with the ones that would rob or kill you for what you got and they don't?
Another thing. If you weren't "implored to buy a gun" wouldn't the chances be more like 100% no one being harmed by the gun NOT in the house? No one has ever been harmed in my house by a firearm and over the years I've had many plus four kids...Go figure.
 
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Korimyr the Rat said:
Seems like every mother****er who wants to tell me I don't need guns to defend myself has whole gunmen to defend themselves. You'd think that would invalidate the entire argument in the eyes of everyone watching... but people are powerful stupid.
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I can't recall Hogg saying he wanted to ban all gun ownership.....maybe you could show me where he said that
 
ryzorsden said:
If people operated their guns in the same manner as they operated their cars, we probably would've wiped all of us out by now.
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Thank you for concurring that gun owners, as a whole, handle their firearms much more safely than drivers handle their vehicles.

Yes, we are very responsible.
 
ryzorsden said:
Here is a simple path for all of you that will alleviate you of the need to buy a gun.
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Why do I need to justify my choice in the best security options based on 'need?'

If I need to protect my life against an attacker...against an imminent lethal threat which is pretty much the legal justification for using lethal force...why should I not have a gun? Can you please answer this?

Is there a reason I should be at a disadvantage to those attacking me? (and yes, there's a good chance there will be more than one)
 
ryzorsden said:
I ask you the same question. You conservative gun nuts live in this little paranoid world in which everyone is out to get you, and that you'll have to take up arms against the government. Spoiler alert: its 2018. With technology, the government could crush us.
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Spoiler alert: I'm not a conservative and I'm not a gun nut, I'm not into guns at all, not any more than I'm 'into cars.' But each have their purposes.
 
ryzorsden said:
Oh yes, the dreaded "whataboutism."

You know what's funny about the whole automobile counterargument made by the ignorant gun nut. It's really not much of a comparison.

If people operated their guns in the same manner as they operated their cars, we probably would've wiped all of us out by now.

Think about it, millions of people get in cars every day and drive anywhere form 25-90 mph on the streets/highways. We pass each other by a few mere inches sometimes. Yet, deaths aren't that high? I mean we regulate the hell outta cars. Gotta pass a course and test to get your license. Speed limits, lane indicators, street signs/lights, highway patrolmen/cops on the streets issuing citations.

Imagine if me and you started just firing our guns facing each other but just a few inches apart. Every day. For several minutes/hours.

Yea.... the car argument is ridiculous.
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The irony is that your entire OP is "whataboutism".
 
vegas giants said:
I can't recall Hogg saying he wanted to ban all gun ownership.....maybe you could show me where he said that
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You know, I don't recall him saying that, either, or that he wanted to ban all semi-automatic weapons.

But he marches in support of Shannon Watts and Mike Bloomberg, so he is directly supporting exactly those policies.

Anytime you feel like trying to argue honestly for a change, it'll probably still be too late.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
You know, I don't recall him saying that, either, or that he wanted to ban all semi-automatic weapons.

But he marches in support of Shannon Watts and Mike Bloomberg, so he is directly supporting exactly those policies.

Anytime you feel like trying to argue honestly for a change, it'll probably still be too late.
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Perhaps you could show me where Watts or Bloomberg wanted to ban all guns?


I mean if you are saying he is a hypocrite for having armed guards he must be against all gun ownership......right?
 
vegas giants said:
I mean if you are saying he is a hypocrite for having armed guards he must be against all gun ownership......right?
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He doesn't have to be against all guns. He only has to be against regular citizens carrying the guns his hired gunthugs are carrying.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
He doesn't have to be against all guns. He only has to be against regular citizens carrying the guns his hired gunthugs are carrying.
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Then perhaps you can show me where he said that. I am asking seriously
 
vegas giants said:
Then perhaps you can show me where he said that. I am asking seriously
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https://www.businessinsider.com/the...sts-want-passed-2018-3/#ban-assault-weapons-1

"Assault weapons" has, in this context, repeatedly been stated to include all semi-automatic weapons. Likewise, the proposed "high capacity" bans include the standard capacity of most full-sized handguns and certainly the ones carried by Hogg's private security.

Which... unlike Senator Feinstein's or Mayor Bloomberg's gunthugs, David Hogg at least has the courtesy of not forcing us to pay for. At gunpoint.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
https://www.businessinsider.com/the...sts-want-passed-2018-3/#ban-assault-weapons-1

"Assault weapons" has, in this context, repeatedly been stated to include all semi-automatic weapons. Likewise, the proposed "high capacity" bans include the standard capacity of most full-sized handguns and certainly the ones carried by Hogg's private security.

Which... unlike Senator Feinstein's or Mayor Bloomberg's gunthugs, David Hogg at least has the courtesy of not forcing us to pay for. At gunpoint.
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Boy it sure sounds like he is ok with you owning guns.


But David Hogg insists the Never Again Movement "is not trying to take away your guns."
"We're trying to take back our lives," he told The Outline, a digital media outlet. "Just as much as you have a right to own a weapon , we have a right to liberty, we have the right to peace, and we have the right to live."


Sorry.....this hypocrisy is all in your head
 
Except I just pointed out that the only guns he wants to let me have are less useful for self-defense than the ones carried by his hired gunthugs.

A lot of so-called "liberals" think they're being mighty white, graciously allowing the peasants to keep their single-shot hunting weapons while the agents of the crown keep their "military" Glocks and AR-15s.

It's not a difficult point to grasp if you were even pretending to argue in good faith.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
Except I just pointed out that the only guns he wants to let me have are less useful for self-defense than the ones carried by his hired gunthugs.

A lot of so-called "liberals" think they're being mighty white, graciously allowing the peasants to keep their single-shot hunting weapons while the agents of the crown keep their "military" Glocks and AR-15s.

It's not a difficult point to grasp if you were even pretending to argue in good faith.
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Which guns are his armed guards carrying? Maybe they are carrying revolvers. Face it. The best you could come up with is...….nothing
 
Lursa said:
Thank you for concurring that gun owners, as a whole, handle their firearms much more safely than drivers handle their vehicles.

Yes, we are very responsible.
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DO you fire your weapon as often as you drive your car? That was the point.... I guess that one flew right over your head.
 
ryzorsden said:
DO you fire your weapon as often as you drive your car? That was the point.... I guess that one flew right over your head.
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Well yes.

I do.

And btw, you said, "in the same manner," not "as often."

"Manner" indicates 'how', not 'how many.' And "how" is safely. Obviously, due to the great difference between accidental gun deaths and accidental vehicle deaths.

Hopefully the distinctions in the clarifications didnt fly right over your head.
 
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ryzorsden said:
DO you fire your weapon as often as you drive your car? That was the point.... I guess that one flew right over your head.
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How many accidental deaths are caused by non-violent gun users and how many are are caused by non-violent car drivers?

Besides, we've been just having a gun in the house is dangerous, regardless if it's being carried or used.
 
Can someone show me where the word “need” is written in the 2nd amendment?
 
ryzorsden said:
DO you fire your weapon as often as you drive your car? That was the point.... I guess that one flew right over your head.
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If I get in my vehicle every day of the year...365 times.

Yes. I fire several thousands of rounds a year.

Lmao!

So here is a serious question. If someone actually DOES kick in your door, what would you do?
 
ryzorsden said:
Here is a simple path for all of you that will alleviate you of the need to buy a gun. Now, the nightmare (or dream) scenario for every gun owner is if someone breaks into your home with intent to harm/kill. Unfortunately, those scenarios are just not that likely to happen. Home burglaries are no uncommon. But here's a easy path that anybody with true will can follow in order to statistically never need a gun in your home.

First, you need to make a decent living by:

Get a High School diploma and a college degree if you're smart enough.

Don't commit any felonies.

Get a decent paying job.

Move to a neighborhood that does not encounter crime as often (suburbs).

Get an alarm system.

Get a german shepherd.

That's it. If you can't do any of these, then you are setting yourself up to either living poor and being an easy target for crime, or not utilizing simple resources to prevent people from breaking into your home.


Oh, and for those that like to carry their guns around town. Here's some tips that will make it so you won't have to carry a gun.

1. Don't be a prick in public.

2. Don't go to convenience stores in sketchy neighborhood, especially at night time.

3. Make sure you do your shopping in a safer part of town, or just a nice town like we talked about above.


Just like that, you've taken some preventative measures to ensure you never need to own a gun. Every measure above is very easy to obtain if you work hard. None of them will be much of a burden to you, outside of the dog. If you're allergic to dogs, not much else for ya on that one. But the tips listed are all things you should be striving for anyways.

That way you won't have to live in fear and feel implored to buy a gun. Which will up the chances of anybody in that home being harmed by that gun by about 25%.....
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You sure are adept at telling others what they must and mustn't do. I'm curious, do you mind when others do that to you?
 
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