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Ninth Circuit Upholds CA Microstamping Law…Although Microstamping Doesn’t Exist

Rucker61 said:
What's to research? Given that the firing pin of every single semi-automatic firearm can easily be replaced or altered, there's really nothing to research.
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What would that show? Firing pins already leave a unique mark on the shell casing. Even the extractor leaves a unique mark on the shell casing. A bullet has scratches that identify it to the weapon that fire it already, put there by the rifling and friction of the barrel.

Punishing people for a not having a device that doesn't exist on any gun is not constitutional, either in Calfornia's constitution nor the U.S. Constitution.
 
Rucker61 said:
"...the California Supreme Court ruled that an impossibility of compliance is not a sufficient reason for invalidating a law".

Unbelievable. I guess for their family's sake it's a good thing breathing is an autonomic reflex, as these folks don't seem to have the capability to do so consciously.
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Let's pass a law that makes a judge lose any authority and locks them up because they can't travel back in time.
 
vegas giants said:
Micro stamping is a promising practice but not ready to become a requirement. But if they could make it work who could possible be against this?
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You do understand the impact of microstamping on gun death rate would be miniscule, if any. Right?
 
Lord of Planar said:
Even if you can micro ID a firing pin, the markings would be useless after a few dozen rounds are fired. Anyone who understands material properties knows how impossible this is to apply with today's technology. I'm not surprised that the 9th circus ruled in favor of this. I doubt they are ignorant to the fact this is a loophole way for California to deny citizens legal gun purchases.
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The 9th circus doesn't have the authority to change either California's constitution nor the Constitution of the United States.
 
Rucker61 said:
"...the California Supreme Court ruled that an impossibility of compliance is not a sufficient reason for invalidating a law".

Unbelievable. I guess for their family's sake it's a good thing breathing is an autonomic reflex, as these folks don't seem to have the capability to do so consciously.
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Apparently Franz Kafka is alive and serving on the California Supreme Court.
 
vegas giants said:
Most criminals are idiots. They can file off the serial numbers on a gun but rarely do. You are making my point
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It’s not about the criminals. It’s about putting one more brick on the backs of honest gun owners.
Seriously. What will the stamp actually tell you? Only that some honest citizen once owned it

Unless California plans some extended liability so victims can sue the original owner for negligence for letting their gun get stolen in the hopes they will refuse to insure gun owners. That is all that makes sense, California wise.
 
vegas giants said:
I thought you wanted to solve gun crimes? How can this possibly hurt you? Are you now an advocate for criminals?
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Criminals don't follow laws. They just use older guns without the microstamping. Or the pick up their casings.
 
Rucker61 said:
"...an impossibility of compliance is not a sufficient reason for invalidating a law".

Common sense isn't common.
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In California legal circles not only is it not common, it's outright rare to nonexistent.
 
vegas giants said:
Yes. Let's not even research it further. Ever. Right?
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How about we find a technology that turns guns into tattletales? When a cop finds one used in a crime he can just say "Ok, confess" and the gun says "On January 9, Joe Schomo shot me at Pete Smith and killed him"? We should explore that technology too.
 
vegas giants said:
Many have labeled it a promising practice. Why anyone would be against research in this area is beyond me
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I'm all for the research as long as it's funded privately; Maybe by Bloomberg and Gabby Gifford Foundation? Or any other anti-gun group - let them put their money where their mouth is.


Of course, IF the technology is ever perfected and an enforceable law is ever passed the rush on gun stores in the weeks and months before it goes into effect will be tremendous.
 
vegas giants said:
Many have labeled it a promising practice. Why anyone would be against research in this area is beyond me
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There is usually a business consideration of cost of technology to outcome success. There are countless good ideas that never see money because they expected payoff is negative, or too costly per incident.
 
Bullseye said:
I'm all for the research as long as it's funded privately; Maybe by Bloomberg and Gabby Gifford Foundation? Or any other anti-gun group - let them put their money where their mouth is.


Of course, IF the technology is ever perfected and an enforceable law is ever passed the rush on gun stores in the weeks and months before it goes into effect will be tremendous.
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Exactly.

Let those wanting this technology, pay for the research and development.
 
Bullseye said:
How about we find a technology that turns guns into tattletales? When a cop finds one used in a crime he can just say "Ok, confess" and the gun says "On January 9, Joe Schomo shot me at Pete Smith and killed him"? We should explore that technology too.
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How about we make guns that can never be traced ever? No fingerprints, no ballistics, no serial numbers. Then you will have made your crime boss very happy
 
Chillfolks said:
We agree those in government are free to donate to any private group they want that is funding this.
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Or we can just have the government pay for it
 
vegas giants said:
Or we can just have the government pay for it
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Or we couldn't and let those interested in exploring that technology foot the bill. Yep that's the way it should work.
 
Chillfolks said:
Or we couldn't and let those interested in exploring that technology foot the bill. Yep that's the way it should work.
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Or we could have the government do it. I personally have no need for a new fighter jet. But feel free to pay for that yourself. Lol
 
vegas giants said:
Or we could have the government do it. I personally have no need for a new fighter jet. But feel free to pay for that yourself. Lol
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We are not talking about jets stay on topic o or stay out of the conversation.
 
vegas giants said:
You are certainly entitled to that opinion
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Until files and replacement firing pins aren't freely available, it's an unenforceable law. The government has no vested interest in unenforceable laws.
 
Rucker61 said:
Until files and replacement firing pins aren't freely available, it's an unenforceable law. The government has no vested interest in unenforceable laws.
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You give criminals too much credit. Most are idiots and would be caught under this tech.
 
vegas giants said:
You give criminals too much credit. Most are idiots and would be caught under this tech.
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Exactly how would they be caught under this tech, and only because of this tech?
 
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