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This just might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard

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Somebody please tell me this isn't real.

All I have is a Twitter link. A short search for a video elsewhere came up empty.

It's a video showing Dana Rohrabacher, Joe Walsh, Trent Lott and Larry Pratt advocating for a “first responders” assault weapons class for....toddlers.

https://twitter.com/Mikel_Jollett/status/1018353465070768129
 
Sounds like satire
 
It may be a preview of Sasha Baron Cohen's new show that hasn't come out yet on Showtime.
 
JC Callender said:
It may be a preview of Sasha Baron Cohen's new show that hasn't come out yet on Showtime.
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azgreg said:
Somebody please tell me this isn't real.

All I have is a Twitter link. A short search for a video elsewhere came up empty.

It's a video showing Dana Rohrabacher, Joe Walsh, Trent Lott and Larry Pratt advocating for a “first responders” assault weapons class for....toddlers.

https://twitter.com/Mikel_Jollett/status/1018353465070768129
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Mr. Callender appears to have sniffed in the right direction.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ex-go...icked-me-into-saying-some-pretty-stupid-stuff
 
Seems pretty lame on Cohen's part when you hear what Walsh has to say in the link on post#7. As the CNN host basically said, Hollywood elitists making fun of Republicans again is probably just going to translate into more Republican votes.
 
JC Callender said:
Seems pretty lame on Cohen's part when you hear what Walsh has to say in the link on post#7. As the CNN host basically said, Hollywood elitists making fun of Republicans again is probably just going to translate into more Republican votes.
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I wonder how many Republicans actively watch Showtime though.
 
Trippy Trekker said:
Cohen's punk stunts seems far more funny than lame. I assume you support more GOP votes. Maybe for that reason alone you can support Cohen's punk stunts?

When it comes to Fake News and Lame, I can think of at least three anti-abortionists, James O'Keefe, Daniel Daleiden and Sandra Merritt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_O'Keefe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Daleiden
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood_2015_undercover_videos_controversy
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From what I've seen of O'Keefe, he goes in and asks straightforward questions. In the case of Cohen/Walsh, he lured Walsh in with an elaborate set of lies then had him read a series of things off of a teleprompter, basically almost totally setting him up. What do you think the chances are if someone walked into Walsh's office undercover and asked him straightfoward if toddlers should be armed that he would say "of course!". I'd say zero.
 
JC Callender said:
Well, they'll probably hear about it one way or another. It's starting to become a pretty big story.
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Oh yes, they will say it's a bad form of comedy, but I saw the preview and it was pretty funny. I think he will expose a lot about how the political industry works and how these people just say talking points for the right price. Change one or two words and none of them seem to think about the consequences of what is being said, like this kids w/guns thing. He basically changed the teachers for guns thing into kids with guns and they still went with it.

In the preview along with this segment. He also:

Tried to get bernie sanders
posed as a poop/cum/blood artist and got the gallery owner to give him some of her pubic hair
Sat down with a local politician and had a conversation about menstrual cycles and having sex with animals.
 
JC Callender said:
From what I've seen of O'Keefe, he goes in and asks straightforward questions. In the case of Cohen/Walsh, he lured Walsh in with an elaborate set of lies then had him read a series of things off of a teleprompter, basically almost totally setting him up. What do you think the chances are if someone walked into Walsh's office undercover and asked him straightfoward if toddlers should be armed that he would say "of course!". I'd say zero.
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No. O'keefe does the same thing Sacha is doing. Except O'keefe is not funny. He thinks the stories he is making up are real and portrays them as such. Sacha already says this is satire (to his intended audience), and finds a truth or two. O'Keefe just lies through his teeth.

That's the difference between propaganda and comedy.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
Oh yes, they will say it's a bad form of comedy, but I saw the preview and it was pretty funny. I think he will expose a lot about how the political industry works and how these people just say talking points for the right price. Change one or two words and none of them seem to think about the consequences of what is being said, like this kids w/guns thing. He basically changed the teachers for guns thing into kids with guns and they still went with it.

In the preview along with this segment. He also:

Tried to get bernie sanders
posed as a poop/cum/blood artist and got the gallery owner to give him some of her pubic hair
Sat down with a local politician and had a conversation about menstrual cycles and having sex with animals.
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I don't have a problem with catching politicians doing dirty deeds while disguised, but he didn't offer them a "price" as far as I know. Joe Walsh was offered an award for supporting Israel, Sarah Palin says her interview was supposed to be with a disabled vet. They've both described going through a muddled and rather lengthy process until they got to the point where Cohen got them to say what he wanted them to, which wasn't their words but words read off of a teleprompter. I don't know, sounds like Cohen is responsible for 99% of what they said and the small blame on them is for not paying close enough attention, even after Cohen wore them down with his smoke and mirrors.
 
JC Callender said:
the small blame on them is for not paying close enough attention, even after Cohen wore them down with his smoke and mirrors.
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That's the point. People need to pay way better attention in this country.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
No. O'keefe does the same thing Sacha is doing. Except O'keefe is not funny. He thinks the stories he is making up are real and portrays them as such. Sacha already says this is satire (to his intended audience), and finds a truth or two. O'Keefe just lies through his teeth.

That's the difference between propaganda and comedy.
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Do you have an instance of O'Keefe lying?
 
JC Callender said:
Do you have an instance of O'Keefe lying?
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It's been well reported. I have had this discussion with many other people on this forum, I am not rehashing it on a thread about Sacha's show. This isn't avoiding that topic, I'm just sick of discussing O'Keefe, when the "true believers" almost never even acknowledge it even after I show them anyway.

It's not fair to comedy to put O'Keefe and Sacha on the same playing field because O'Keefe is not a comedian and he is just a liar.
 
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JC Callender said:
Do you have an instance of O'Keefe lying?
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O'Keefe's undercover journalism involves extensive deception and lying -

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.db6fbbf94861

It is now clear that O’Keefe’s editing of the raw video from his interview with NPR’s top fundraiser, Ron Schiller, was selective and deceptive. The full extent of this distortion was exposed by a rising conservative Web site, the Blaze. O’Keefe’s final product excludes explanatory context, exaggerates Schiller’s tolerance for Islamist radicalism and attributes sentiments to Schiller that are actually quotes by others — all the hallmarks of a hit piece. Schiller’s comments were damaging enough without O’Keefe reshaping them into a caricature. Both Ron Schiller and NPR CEO Vivian Schiller, who is not related, resigned.

But the controversy also raises deeper issues about the ethics of undercover journalism. In this case, O’Keefe did not merely leave a false impression; he manufactured an elaborate, alluring lie. The interviewers posed as representatives of a Muslim organization that wanted to donate $5 million to NPR. The stingers bought access to NPR executives with fake money.
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JC Callender said:
From what I've seen of O'Keefe, he goes in and asks straightforward questions. In the case of Cohen/Walsh, he lured Walsh in with an elaborate set of lies then had him read a series of things off of a teleprompter, basically almost totally setting him up. What do you think the chances are if someone walked into Walsh's office undercover and asked him straightfoward if toddlers should be armed that he would say "of course!". I'd say zero.
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The problem with O'Keefe is the answer isn't always the one to the "straightforward" question. Editing

He does a bunch of attempts and only publishes the ones that look bad.
 
What if...? said:
The problem with O'Keefe is the answer isn't always the one to the "straightforward" question. Editing

He does a bunch of attempts and only publishes the ones that look bad.
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Well why would he publish someone who isn't guilty of anything?
 
JC Callender said:
Well why would he publish someone who isn't guilty of anything?
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Because it would make what he actually publishes appear as the exception (which it is) instead of the rule (which is what he is trying to convince his viewers is the case)
 
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