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Guns are killing us not protecting us

vegas giants said:
Let's test the theory
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They tested your theory in NAZI Germany, Communist Russia, and Communist China.

It worked like a dream... cut way down on civilians shooting each other.

Of course the governments rounded up and killed 60+ millions for a variety of reasons.
 
JONRID said:
They tested your theory in NAZI Germany, Communist Russia, and Communist China.

It worked like a dream... cut way down on civilians shooting each other.

Of course the governments rounded up and killed 60+ millions for a variety of reasons.
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Nope. Not my theory
 
soylentgreen said:
(yet)
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A car will kill me before a gun does.

Speaking of that, I saw a baaaad mother****ing wreck in Tennessee on 4 July. Passenger was DOA, baby in the backseat with injuries, driver ****ed up but alive, trapped and there was a fire in the engine compartment. I'm glad the FD showed up when they did, because we were expending the last fire extinguisher. It was a ****ed up deal.

Do you keep a fire extinguisher in your vehicle? If you don't you should. You never know when you might need one to save a loved one's life, or someone else's life.
 
Having a gun in the home is the best way to end up shot dead.

Odds of being shot in your home by someone with a gun invading it--close to zero


Odds of shooting yourself or a loved one living in your home with your own gun---pretty damned good

https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/160/10/929/140858
 
calamity said:
Having a gun in the home is the best way to end up shot dead.

Odds of being shot in your home by someone with a gun invading it--close to zero


Odds of shooting yourself or a loved one living in your home with your own gun---pretty damned good

https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/160/10/929/140858
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Living alone and/or renting - much more dangerous than having a gun in the house. And your figures are not accurate with regards to lawful gun owners.
 
vegas giants said:
Americans are 10 times more likely to be killed by guns than people in other developed countries, a new study finds.

Compared to 22 other high-income nations, the United States' gun-related murder rate is 25 times higher. And, even though the United States' suicide rate is similar to other countries, the nation's gun-related suicide rate is eight times higher than other high-income countries, researchers said.

The study was published online Feb. 1 in The American Journal of Medicine.

"Overall, our results show that the U.S., which has the most firearms per capita in the world, suffers disproportionately from firearms compared with other high-income countries," said study author Erin Grinshteyn, an assistant professor at the School of Community Health Science at the University of Nevada-Reno. "These results are consistent with the hypothesis that our firearms are killing us rather than protecting us," she said in a journal news release.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countries/
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More misleading data and manipulated statistics. This has been addressed and dismiss here before.
 
Tennyson said:
More misleading data and manipulated statistics. This has been addressed and dismiss here before.
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Your lack of of evidence is noted and your claim dismissed
 
vegas giants said:
Your lack of of evidence is noted and your claim dismissed
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More misleading data and manipulated statistics. This has been addressed and dismiss here before.
 
Tennyson said:
More misleading data and manipulated statistics. This has been addressed and dismiss here before.
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Again you show you have no evidence.

Dismissed
 
apdst said:
A car will kill me before a gun does.

Speaking of that, I saw a baaaad mother****ing wreck in Tennessee on 4 July. Passenger was DOA, baby in the backseat with injuries, driver ****ed up but alive, trapped and there was a fire in the engine compartment. I'm glad the FD showed up when they did, because we were expending the last fire extinguisher. It was a ****ed up deal.

Do you keep a fire extinguisher in your vehicle? If you don't you should. You never know when you might need one to save a loved one's life, or someone else's life.
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Good luck with that.

There is no denying that americans do have an obsession with guns. Weapon of choice sort of thing. But that does not make guns a bad thing. It's the choosing to use a weapon that needs to be looked at.
 
vegas giants said:
Again you show you have no evidence.

Dismissed
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The US cannot be compared to other countries regarding guns, homicides, and violent crime. There is a marked difference between the murder rate and violent crime rate in the US between areas with populations over 250,000 and under 250,000. The U.S. has double the crime and murder rate in areas with populations over 250,000. The number of murders in the US in areas with populations under 250,000 is 1.9 percent. the US will have a dramatic increase vis-a-vis other countries regarding violent crime as well. The US has 186 metropolitan areas with populations over 250,000, Sweden has 3, Norway has 1, Finland has 2, and Iceland has 0. In the U.K, there are only 32 areas with populations over 250,000, so there murder rates will be lower, and their violent crime rates should be lower as well, but with only 32 metropolitan areas with populations over 250,000, the U.K. has over 5 times the violent crime rate as the U.S. With 186 metropolitan areas with populations over 250,000, the US will have a dramatic increase vis-a-vis other countries regarding violent crime as well, and these factors will increase a far more potential violent interaction between the population and police, thus a far higher percentage of justified homicides committed by the police. This does not take away from the fact that there are certainly far too many citizens killed by police, but it needs to be put in perspective regarding a comparison to other countries, which is not a feasible comparison because of the above-mentioned statistics and dramatically differing cultures.
 
my guns haven't killed anyone, yet ................... but I'm working on it ...........
 
Tennyson said:
The US cannot be compared to other countries regarding guns, homicides, and violent crime. There is a marked difference between the murder rate and violent crime rate in the US between areas with populations over 250,000 and under 250,000. The U.S. has double the crime and murder rate in areas with populations over 250,000. The number of murders in the US in areas with populations under 250,000 is 1.9 percent. the US will have a dramatic increase vis-a-vis other countries regarding violent crime as well. The US has 186 metropolitan areas with populations over 250,000, Sweden has 3, Norway has 1, Finland has 2, and Iceland has 0. In the U.K, there are only 32 areas with populations over 250,000, so there murder rates will be lower, and their violent crime rates should be lower as well, but with only 32 metropolitan areas with populations over 250,000, the U.K. has over 5 times the violent crime rate as the U.S. With 186 metropolitan areas with populations over 250,000, the US will have a dramatic increase vis-a-vis other countries regarding violent crime as well, and these factors will increase a far more potential violent interaction between the population and police, thus a far higher percentage of justified homicides committed by the police. This does not take away from the fact that there are certainly far too many citizens killed by police, but it needs to be put in perspective regarding a comparison to other countries, which is not a feasible comparison because of the above-mentioned statistics and dramatically differing cultures.
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Its just a coincidence that there is not a single country on the planet with lax gun laws and low gun deaths. LOL
 
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