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Comparing The District With The 50 States

Checkerboard Strangler said:
The way it looks to me is "Suprisingly, in a FEW California counties, residents don't find it that difficult".
But for me at least, it is not the end of the world as long as they don't tinker with the castle doctrine and I think California needs to be reasonable about allowing business owners and shopkeepers the same protection as a homeowner.
If you're where you're supposed to be at home or at work, that is your castle.
I'm sure that you agree.

Thing is, as of late, there have been a number of news stories where a shopkeeper or business owner has shot a criminal, who was attempting to rob the place or break and enter, and no one got charged in the incident.
I do not remember the details but I remember it having something to do with a legal precedent that led to specific jury instructions.
You are probably more up to date on this than I am.
All I know is, a couple of stories that stick in my mind were a shopkeeper who shot a robber, and an auto mechanic shop owner who slept in his shop after being burglarized three times who shot the burglar on their fourth break-in, and both times the story said that these people were not going to be charged.
I remember the news stories because my reaction was to nod and say to my wife, "that's how it should be", and she agreed.
These stories were both in L.A. County, by the way.
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My small county in Colorado has more CCW holders than LA County. Stunning.
 
DebateChallenge said:
It would take maybe an hour and a half to drive from NYC to PA, maybe 2 hours with traffic. PA is not all that restrictive with guns and 2 hours is not long to drive.
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When was the last time you made that drive? LOL
 
Perotista said:
The problem is that only honest people obey the laws. Criminals are criminals because they don't. If someone murders people, robs people and stores, rapes etc. what makes someone think they will obey gun laws?
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Except it works all over the developed world
 
DebateChallenge said:
No I don't live there but I've been there many times. As for being able to purchase any and as many guns as you want in Virginia you would either have to be a Virginia resident or you would have to purchase off the illegal market. Federal law says that for all states, to get a handgun in a state you have to live in said state.
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That's funny. I get jokes
 
vegas giants said:
When was the last time you made that drive? LOL
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It was just a couple of weeks ago I made a drive from PA to NV and back. A drive that takes about 40 hours one way. A 2 hour drive is nothing.
 
Why not look at the level of education that most criminals have, the number of parents and what level of education they have, let the facts take you where they may.



We have to stop supporting the idea of single parent families, that you will make it by trying to rap your way out of poverty, and that you are a victim and the world will be there to support you until you figure it out.

Good parents all have their kids in the house at a certain preset time at night, all monitor their children's friends, all good parents take an interest in their child's school/education, serve dinner, have family talks, give hugs, encourage positive behavior, give rewards for such, instill confidence, tell their kids they both love them and they are proud of them, this is universal, what's not is throwing your kids to the wolves, letting them run the streets, not getting ample sleep then expecting them to go out into the world and learn, without a proper father/mother figure.
 
lefty louie said:
Why not look at the level of education that most criminals have, the number of parents and what level of education they have, let the facts take you where they may.
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The education level of criminals varies. We often tend to think of criminals as having a very low level of education, if any education at all, but the fact of the matter is the education level of criminals varies just as much as it does among non criminals.
 
lefty louie said:
Good parents all have their kids in the house at a certain preset time at night, all monitor their children's friends, all good parents take an interest in their child's school/education, serve dinner, have family talks, give hugs, encourage positive behavior, give rewards for such, instill confidence, tell their kids they both love them and they are proud of them, this is universal, what's not is throwing your kids to the wolves, letting them run the streets, not getting ample sleep then expecting them to go out into the world and learn, without a proper father/mother figure.
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NYRA might disagree with some of what you said, but that is another debate.
 
DebateChallenge said:
NYRA might disagree with some of what you said, but that is another debate.
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New York Racing Association?

Also I'm quite sure that levels of education will vary, but many more low level undereducated people in and out of the system then educated people.
 
lefty louie said:
Why not look at the level of education that most criminals have, the number of parents and what level of education they have, let the facts take you where they may.



We have to stop supporting the idea of single parent families, that you will make it by trying to rap your way out of poverty, and that you are a victim and the world will be there to support you until you figure it out.

Good parents all have their kids in the house at a certain preset time at night, all monitor their children's friends, all good parents take an interest in their child's school/education, serve dinner, have family talks, give hugs, encourage positive behavior, give rewards for such, instill confidence, tell their kids they both love them and they are proud of them, this is universal, what's not is throwing your kids to the wolves, letting them run the streets, not getting ample sleep then expecting them to go out into the world and learn, without a proper father/mother figure.
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While I support education improvements that alone will never reduce gun deaths significantly
 
lefty louie said:
Also I'm quite sure that levels of education will vary, but many more low level undereducated people in and out of the system then educated people.
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You might be surprised how many highly educated people commit crimes. You will find doctors and lawyers that commit murder. And then there's the non violent white collar crime which most of the time is done by well educated people such as in the Enron scandal.
 
vegas giants said:
While I support education improvements that alone will never reduce gun deaths significantly
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Education alone wont but it will help the gun rights cause. People who want strict gun control tend to be uneducated in general.
 
DebateChallenge said:
All too often, people on this forum have tried to point out how states with less restrictive gun laws have more gun crime and vice versa. Well I am going to point this out, Washington D.C. the District of Columbia, while not a state itself does have a very high crime rate. While D.C. is more restrictive with guns than any of the 50 states it has a much higher rate of not only gun crime but violent crime in general than any of the states. So there goes the idea about more restrictive gun laws making a place safer.
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Well, gangs like MS13 are there and 50% of the population is black, so there is high black on black crime. The proliferation of guns is the problem there.
 
DebateChallenge said:
You might be surprised how many highly educated people commit crimes. You will find doctors and lawyers that commit murder. And then there's the non violent white collar crime which most of the time is done by well educated people such as in the Enron scandal.
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Vast numbers, I'm talking numbers. Not picking on you, but here on this forum you get eaten up if you make a claim and don't back it with some fact.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Education alone wont but it will help the gun rights cause. People who want strict gun control tend to be uneducated in general.
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I disagree, they are uneducated in some areas, but there are many college grads (millions perhaps) that want strict gun laws.
 
vegas giants said:
It sure seems to work
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If NYC is safe as you claim it is its probably not because of strict gun control but due to other reasons. After all, explain Honolulu which is very dangerous and has very strict gun control. And Honolulu is not within 20 minutes driving distance, or any driving distance for that matter, from a place where you can legally get guns easily.
 
DebateChallenge said:
If NYC is safe as you claim it is its probably not because of strict gun control but due to other reasons. After all, explain Honolulu which is very dangerous and has very strict gun control. And Honolulu is not within 20 minutes driving distance, or any driving distance for that matter, from a place where you can legally get guns easily.
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Hawaii has the lowest gun death rate of any state. Man you just make stuff up
 
vegas giants said:
Hawaii has the lowest gun death rate of any state. Man you just make stuff up
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With the exception of Honolulu. On a safety scale of 1 to 100 where 100 is the safest Honolulu rates at 9 which means Honolulu is safer than only 9% of the cities in the USA.
 
DebateChallenge said:
With the exception of Honolulu. On a safety scale of 1 to 100 where 100 is the safest Honolulu rates at 9 which means Honolulu is safer than only 9% of the cities in the USA.
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This is freaking hilarious. You just make stuff up
 
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