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Why the Second Amendment Exists.

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Big GIANT man punches girl. (extremely hard I might add)

Co-worker girl pulls out gun.

Big giant man gets scared and runs away.



ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
 
Big GIANT man punches girl. (extremely hard I might add)

Co-worker girl pulls out gun.

Big giant man gets scared and runs away.



ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.


After that Pulse night club shooting I would be carrying a gun if I was allowed to.
 
ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
Is it?

Was she in a militia? Because for some reason, the 2nd Amendment explicitly refers to militias, but not self defense from criminals.

Did the ratifiers want women to carry guns with them all the time? Seems unlikely. Women couldn't vote, certainly weren't eligible for militia or military service, in some cases had limited property rights. I.e. I'm reasonably certain that, to whatever extent original intent matters, this wasn't on the list.

So much for simplicity.
 
Is it?

Was she in a militia? Because for some reason, the 2nd Amendment explicitly refers to militias, but not self defense from criminals.

Did the ratifiers want women to carry guns with them all the time? Seems unlikely. Women couldn't vote, certainly weren't eligible for militia or military service, in some cases had limited property rights. I.e. I'm reasonably certain that, to whatever extent original intent matters, this wasn't on the list.

So much for simplicity.

Yes it does seem a little more complicated than that
 
Is it?

Was she in a militia? Because for some reason, the 2nd Amendment explicitly refers to militias, but not self defense from criminals.

Did the ratifiers want women to carry guns with them all the time? Seems unlikely. Women couldn't vote, certainly weren't eligible for militia or military service, in some cases had limited property rights. I.e. I'm reasonably certain that, to whatever extent original intent matters, this wasn't on the list.

So much for simplicity.

The first amendment explicitly refers to the press, religion, speech, assembly, and petitioning the government. That doesn’t mean that for me to have the freedom of speech, I also have to be a member of a religious press outlet that is assembling with other religious media outlets to petition the government. Simplicity and logic - not the same thing.
 
Is it?

Was she in a militia? Because for some reason, the 2nd Amendment explicitly refers to militias, but not self defense from criminals.

Did the ratifiers want women to carry guns with them all the time? Seems unlikely. Women couldn't vote, certainly weren't eligible for militia or military service, in some cases had limited property rights. I.e. I'm reasonably certain that, to whatever extent original intent matters, this wasn't on the list.

So much for simplicity.
Yess she is part of the militia now days. She has the right to vote. She has the right to protect herself.

Back in the day BEFORE women voted you had to agree to volunteer to be part of the malitia for the right to vote. Now days we all are. Police can arrest you in ANY state and ANY county if you commit a crime. Society is organized.
 
Yess she is part of the militia now days. She has the right to vote. She has the right to protect herself.

Back in the day BEFORE women voted you had to agree to volunteer to be part of the malitia for the right to vote. Now days we all are. Police can arrest you in ANY state and ANY county if you commit a crime. Society is organized.

Let's face it, as a deterrent to invasion, dictators at home and protection in collapse; the populace must be well armed.

This means clips, this means AR-15s.

The intelligent thing to do would be to require gun safety training in all high schools including psychological training so that one doesn't need a gun if they have mental health problems.

Then with this certification you can have gun buying permit on your drivers license and be on the buy list.
 
Big GIANT man punches girl. (extremely hard I might add)

Co-worker girl pulls out gun.

Big giant man gets scared and runs away.



ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

If only women carried guns, we would have a lot fewer homicides. But, we have mostly men carrying them, and they don't need them--especially not as you show in the op.

The problem is men with guns.
 
If only women carried guns, we would have a lot fewer homicides. But, we have mostly men carrying them, and they don't need them--especially not as you show in the op.

The problem is men with guns.

More and more and more women are buying guns. More mamma bears coming out of the wood work. And men still need guns 98% as much as women do because 2 or 3 men can gang up on 1 man.
 
If that would have been my girlfriend I would have wanted her to instantly put 3 shots into his hipbones, hopefully hit him in the dick, when he was in melee distance. Cripple him for life. As this guy got away and hasnt been caught yet.

I cant help but wonder how many other women he has punched over food.
 
Yess she is part of the militia now days. She has the right to vote. She has the right to protect herself.

Back in the day BEFORE women voted you had to agree to volunteer to be part of the malitia for the right to vote. Now days we all are. Police can arrest you in ANY state and ANY county if you commit a crime. Society is organized.
Uh... No, she isn't part of any militia. That's just hilarious.

Actually, male white citizens of age didn't have a choice about militia service. E.g. the Militia Act of 1792 required all male citizens aged 18 to 45 to enroll in local militias.

I have no idea what you mean with your reference to the police.

I'm not saying we should take away her rights. I'm pointing out that the ratifiers of the 2nd Amendment did not intend for women to carry concealed weapons to work for self-defense. I'm pretty sure they'd be horrified by almost everything in that sentence. We should also keep in mind that when it was ratified, the 2A only restricted the powers of Congress.

So I reiterate: The 2A is not "THAT SIMPLE." Your interpretation omits critical elements about militias, and imputes aspects that were not part of the original intent, and are not a part of the text.
 
Uh... No, she isn't part of any militia. That's just hilarious.

Actually, male white citizens of age didn't have a choice about militia service. E.g. the Militia Act of 1792 required all male citizens aged 18 to 45 to enroll in local militias.

I have no idea what you mean with your reference to the police.

I'm not saying we should take away her rights. I'm pointing out that the ratifiers of the 2nd Amendment did not intend for women to carry concealed weapons to work for self-defense. I'm pretty sure they'd be horrified by almost everything in that sentence. We should also keep in mind that when it was ratified, the 2A only restricted the powers of Congress.

So I reiterate: The 2A is not "THAT SIMPLE." Your interpretation omits critical elements about militias, and imputes aspects that were not part of the original intent, and are not a part of the text.

Yes. She is part of the general militia and has a right to defend herself.
 
Let's face it, as a deterrent to invasion, dictators at home and protection in collapse; the populace must be well armed.

This means clips, this means AR-15s.

The intelligent thing to do would be to require gun safety training in all high schools including psychological training so that one doesn't need a gun if they have mental health problems.

Then with this certification you can have gun buying permit on your drivers license and be on the buy list.
Or, not.

• Extensive research shows that non-violent civil disobedience is actually more effective at removing authoritarian regimes than violent movements. The violent movements often fail; require external assistance to get anywhere; seldom build broad support among its own populace; and are more likely to collapse back into authoritarianism and violence when the do work. (See Why Civil Resistance Works for more evidence and details: https://cup.columbia.edu/book/why-civil-resistance-works/9780231156820)

• The ratifiers of the 2A had no expectation of using militias to defend individual homes, or remove local dictators with coups. The closest they came to that was assuming that standing armies could be abused by central authorities. Other politicians of the era, such as Washington and Hamilton and Adams, saw standing armies as necessary.

• The 2A says absolutely nothing about individual self-defense. It says "Congress can regulate firearms, but when doing so it can't stop militias from being properly armed."

• 2/3 of Americans do not own firearms. Many of the safest states and cities have low rates of gun ownership and strict gun control laws. And of course, no country is going to invade the US not because 1/3 of its citizens are crazy about firearms, but because we have the most powerful standing army in the world. Your suggestion to require gun lessons in schools sounds... well, let's just describe it as excessive and utterly unnecessary.
 
Yes. She is part of the general militia and has a right to defend herself.
lol

There is no such thing as a "general militia."

Sorry, but pretty much everything you're saying is wrong. Neither gun rights, or gun control, or the 2A, are simple.
 
lol

There is no such thing as a "general militia."

Sorry, but pretty much everything you're saying is wrong. Neither gun rights, or gun control, or the 2A, are simple.

The general malitia is every single person that is legally allowed to own a gun nowdays.
 
Women can be just as savage as men, maybe even more.

50 year old grandma shoots son in law to death over snide comment

Grandmother gets 50 years to life in murder of son-in-law - The San Diego Union-Tribune
Exceptions exist. But, until these gender disparity numbers level off, it's not even close to apples to apples.

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Also to piggy back on this thread, Women should be required to sign up for draft now days. Either that or men shouldnt be enforced into doing it.

And men shouldnt be circumsized until at least 12 years old and the kid has to consent to it. This is straight up genital mutilation for males only.

We have an inequality within our system atm. A full blown systemic inequality. I wish I could go back in time and protest and halt my doctor from circumcising (mutilating) me.

Also circumcision skin should not be allowed to be a skin donation unless the donor consents because its incentivising all these doctors to circumcise for $$$$$$$ so they can get extra skin graft skin.
 
Exceptions exist. But, until these gender disparity numbers level off, it's not even close to apples to apples.

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A 5% exception in a nation of 30,000,000 people is still 15 million chances for it to happen.

Men with testosterone still need to protect themselves from men with testosterone so I dont know why you are shaming men into non-ownership of guns.
 
Or, not.

• Extensive research shows that non-violent civil disobedience is actually more effective at removing authoritarian regimes than violent movements. The violent movements often fail; require external assistance to get anywhere; seldom build broad support among its own populace; and are more likely to collapse back into authoritarianism and violence when the do work. (See Why Civil Resistance Works for more evidence and details: https://cup.columbia.edu/book/why-civil-resistance-works/9780231156820)

• The ratifiers of the 2A had no expectation of using militias to defend individual homes, or remove local dictators with coups. The closest they came to that was assuming that standing armies could be abused by central authorities. Other politicians of the era, such as Washington and Hamilton and Adams, saw standing armies as necessary.

• The 2A says absolutely nothing about individual self-defense. It says "Congress can regulate firearms, but when doing so it can't stop militias from being properly armed."

• 2/3 of Americans do not own firearms. Many of the safest states and cities have low rates of gun ownership and strict gun control laws. And of course, no country is going to invade the US not because 1/3 of its citizens are crazy about firearms, but because we have the most powerful standing army in the world. Your suggestion to require gun lessons in schools sounds... well, let's just describe it as excessive and utterly unnecessary.

Or not, the potential is more important than how such a reality would pan out statistically you could point at the American Revolution.

Gun safety not in schools? Are you kidding me, this is our first and foremost duty.

There are some arguments above about the militia extending to the individual.
 
A 5% exception in a nation of 30,000,000 people is still 15 million chances for it to happen.

Men with testosterone still need to protect themselves from men with testosterone so I dont know why you are shaming men into non-ownership of guns.

Because a real man doesn't need a gun by his side to navigate through the McDonalds Drive Thru?

Nah, it couldn't be that.

BTW: we have 300 million people not 30.
 
Because a real man doesn't need a gun by his side to navigate through the McDonalds Drive Thru?

Nah, it couldn't be that.

BTW: we have 300 million people not 30.

Whoops thats what I meant to put. 15,000,000 x 20/th of 1 = 300,000,000

And some men are not equal, i dunno why you are shaming men.

Some people are born cowards or some guys only weigh 120 pounds (less than the average woman) so I dont see why you dont want males having guns. These tiny men have a right to defend themselves. From men and women.

Ive seen a 300 pound woman beat the snot out of a 120 pound guy. Its really confusing as to what to do. My first instinct was to just kick the bitch in the head and make her go night-night. But I thought about all the police and how they would percieve it (2 guys vs 1 girl)... and lucky shaming and yelling at her seemed to have an effect.
 
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Because a real man doesn't need a gun by his side to navigate through the McDonalds Drive Thru?

Nah, it couldn't be that.

BTW: we have 300 million people not 30.

So you expect ALL males to get into knife vs knife fight when some criminal jumps the counter and picks up the closest knife on the counter? You expect little 120 pound men to fight 300 pound men in a 1 on 1 knife fight?
 
So you expect ALL males to get into knife vs knife fight when some criminal jumps the counter and picks up the closest knife on the counter? You expect little 120 pound men to fight 300 pound men in a 1 on 1 knife fight?

Survival of the fittest, and in this case the fittest is who has a gun.
 
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