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Irrelevant, your statement is still wrong!

Actually its not. Gun control is not enforced on the drug cartels. If they have only one gun store....where do YOU think they are getting the guns from? LOL
 
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If you have a different theory I would love to hear it

It's hard to put forward a theory when I haven't put in the work, Vegas... I'm disciplined like that... ;)

But if guns were the root cause, I'd have to wonder how the vast majority of guns are never involved with crime at all, even in states that have the least amount of gun control...that would cause me to dig deeper on the whole thing right there.
 
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It's hard to put forward a theory when I haven't put in the work, Vegas... I'm disciplined like that... ;)

But if guns were the root cause, I'd have to wonder how the vast majority of guns are never involved with crime at all, even in states that have the least amount of gun control...that would cause me to dig deeper on the whole thing right there.

Keep digging. JUst tell me a country that has figured out how to have lax gun laws and low gun deaths. I will push for what actually works
 
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Actually its not. Gun control is not enforced on the drug cartels.

You mean the gun control laws for all of Mexico arent followed by the drug cartels? Is that what you mean? That it 'cannot' be enforced against the criminal cartels?

Well what a great example of reality...a country with strict gun control that has loads of gun violence and cannot force it's criminal element to follow the gun laws.

Reality...are you understanding this (I know I cant assume that you will)? That your claim that countries with strict gun control have less gun violence has more holes in it than Swiss cheese? :mrgreen:
 
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You mean the gun control laws for all of Mexico arent followed by the drug cartels? Is that what you mean? That it 'cannot' be enforced against the criminal cartels?

Well what a great example of reality...a country with strict gun control that has loads of gun violence and cannot force it's criminal element to follow the gun laws.

Reality...are you understanding this (I know I cant assume that you will)? That your claim that countries with strict gun control are less violent has more holes in it than Swiss cheese? :mrgreen:

Except in Canada, Europe, Australia, new Zealand, japan....etc. LOL
 
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Keep digging. JUst tell me a country that has figured out how to have lax gun laws and low gun deaths. I will push for what actually works

Can't...because it would be an apples and oranges comparison, as previously explained. :shrug: You want a solution that will work for America, not Canada or Australia or wherever else you think has it figured out.

My question to you: If guns are the root cause, how come the vast majority of them are never used in a crime, or end up causing harm through accident or suicide? This is an important one for you to answer, given your assertion. From my line of sight, this one reality makes it impossible for "guns" to be a "root cause". What am I missing?
 
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Except in Canada, Europe, Australia, new Zealand, japan....etc. LOL

The reality is...it's not working like you claimed. :mrgreen:
 
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Can't...because it would be an apples and oranges comparison, as previously explained. :shrug: You want a solution that will work for America, not Canada or Australia or wherever else you think has it figured out.

My question to you: If guns are the root cause, how come the vast majority of them are never used in a crime, or end up causing harm through accident or suicide? This is an important one for you to answer, given your assertion. From my line of sight, this one reality makes it impossible for "guns" to be a "root cause". What am I missing?

My problem has always been with gun control laws....not just guns. You can have guns and gun control
 
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The reality is...it's not working like you claimed. :mrgreen:

Except in Canada, Europe, Australia, new Zealand, japan....etc. LOL
 
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Except where it isnt working, like Mexico. :mrgreen:

Except in Canada, Europe, Australia, new Zealand, japan....etc. LOL
 
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My problem has always been with gun control laws....not just guns. You can have guns and gun control

Agreed. Ok, so we can move away from the notion that guns are not the root cause, that's a good first step.

At this point I would say that I'm not against gun control...but also I'm Canadian, so my perspective is very different. I don't mind the level of gun control we have up here, but I also know it would never fly south of the border. I think that if you want to increase gun control in America, you need to engage gun advocates and come up with a solution that will work in America...which will never happen without consensus, so you'd probably be better off being a little more open minded when speaking with the law abiding citizens who's rights you'd like to erode.

But I think you need to look at more than that. Why are people committing these crimes in the first place? Why are people committing suicide in the first place? Why is negligence causing so many deaths? What can be done about those things? You can't make the guns disappear...root cause IS important to get to, in light of that, so get to the root. You might not get gun enthusiasts to give up their rights, but if you take away the desire of someone to use a gun to commit a crime, understanding that you will never get rid of "crime" altogether, then perhaps they'd get behind that, and you both win - they keep their guns, and you sort out what you're actually concerned about, which is the amount of crime being committed with guns - and, as a side bonus, you might reduce crime in general. Seems like a better expenditure of effort, no?
 
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Agreed. Ok, so we can move away from the notion that guns are not the root cause, that's a good first step.

At this point I would say that I'm not against gun control...but also I'm Canadian, so my perspective is very different. I don't mind the level of gun control we have up here, but I also know it would never fly south of the border. I think that if you want to increase gun control in America, you need to engage gun advocates and come up with a solution that will work in America...which will never happen without consensus, so you'd probably be better off being a little more open minded when speaking with the law abiding citizens who's rights you'd like to erode.

But I think you need to look at more than that. Why are people committing these crimes in the first place? Why are people committing suicide in the first place? Why is negligence causing so many deaths? What can be done about those things? You can't make the guns disappear...root cause IS important to get to, in light of that, so get to the root. You might not get gun enthusiasts to give up their rights, but if you take away the desire of someone to use a gun to commit a crime, understanding that you will never get rid of "crime" altogether, then perhaps they'd get behind that, and you both win - they keep their guns, and you sort out what you're actually concerned about, which is the amount of crime being committed with guns - and, as a side bonus, you might reduce crime in general. Seems like a better expenditure of effort, no?

That is a waste of time. The problem is lax gun laws. You can not have low gun deaths with them
 
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Actually its not. Gun control is not enforced on the drug cartels. If they have only one gun store....where do YOU think they are getting the guns from? LOL
So you are saying criminals do not obey the laws! Is that really a surprise to you?
The source of the guns is irrelevant since they are breaking the law by importing the guns anyway.
Do you think gun laws in the US would work any better than the drug laws?
 
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That is a waste of time. The problem is lax gun laws. You can not have low gun deaths with them

Except in places like Mexico, where they have lots of gun control...and lots of gun violence :mrgreen:
 
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So you are saying criminals do not obey the laws! Is that really a surprise to you?
The source of the guns is irrelevant since they are breaking the law by importing the guns anyway.
Do you think gun laws in the US would work any better than the drug laws?

States with strict gun laws have less gun deaths. They work great
 
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States with strict gun laws have less gun deaths. They work great
The Gun laws in Mexico are federal, so all the states have the same laws.
How do those work for them?
 
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The Gun laws in Mexico are federal, so all the states have the same laws.
How do those work for them?

Mexico has no gun control. They just have pieces of paper. Cartels are exempt from those laws
 
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I keep hearing we don't need gun laws but we need to go after the root cause. What current state or country has figured out this root cause and has lax gun laws and low gun deaths? Does this root cause apply to illegal immigration....if so then we do not need a wall....right. Can you have lax gun laws on a large scale and low gun deaths? Can anyone show me where this is possible?

You went right past stupid in your first sentence.

Nobody on here is against gun laws.
 
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Mexico has no gun control. They just have pieces of paper. Cartels are exempt from those laws

Ha ha ha ha! They do have gun control. That's been sourced. And they do have useless pieces of paper that also fail...just like you want us to have here in the US.

And of course the cartels dont follow the laws...since when do criminals do that?

:lamo :lamo

I cant believe you posted that tripe...again. :lol:
 
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Right...………….even TD doesn't want a psycho owning guns.

You lied, and will continue to lie because it's in your nature to be a chain puller.

My god you are hilarious. Have you not seen people on here fight against any new changes in gun laws? Are you kidding.

And can the personal insult. No one cares what you think of me....especially me
 
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My god you are hilarious. Have you not seen people on here fight against any new changes in gun laws? Are you kidding.

And can the personal insult. No one cares what you think of me....especially me

Stop lying.


Your words:

I keep hearing we don't need gun laws


Nuff said.
 
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