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TurtleDude said:
clearly its hard for those who the the politics of gun owners to admit reality. calling firearms toys demonstrates a less than rational hatred. It would be nice if the gun banners dished out as much hate towards violent felons as they do towards people who don't buy into their nanny state sensibilities
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Your first sentence is usual incoherent rambling.

Your rhetoric shows an utter inability to treat firearms as what they actually are. Furthermore, your elevation of them to the status of holy relics shows that "rationality" doesn't exist in your worldview. It would be nice if gun obsessives would ever decide to follow the law even when they don't personally agree with it.....oh, and stop justifying the murder of law enforcement.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Your first sentence is usual incoherent rambling.

Your rhetoric shows an utter inability to treat firearms as what they actually are. Furthermore, your elevation of them to the status of holy relics shows that "rationality" doesn't exist in your worldview. It would be nice if gun obsessives would ever decide to follow the law even when they don't personally agree with it.....oh, and stop justifying the murder of law enforcement.
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toys<guns<holy relics.

Hope this helps.
 
Tigerace117 said:
My sarcastic use of “toys” to attack his holy relics seems to have flown over your head.
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There are no "guns = holy relics". Hope this helps. Or is the "holy relic" comment also sarcasm?
 
Rucker61 said:
toys<guns<holy relics.

Hope this helps.
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It won't. they hate the politics of pro gun voters. They cannot come out and say that so we get this mindless nonsense like claiming supporting the second amendment is about "toys" Its so mind numbing stupid you just have to laugh
 
Tigerace117 said:
Clearly it's hard for gun obsessives to comprehend other factors other than their precious toys were at play. Believe it or not, not everything revolves around your precious toys.
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Toys? Guns are not toys and if you think they are than you shouldn't be using them.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Toys? Guns are not toys and if you think they are than you shouldn't be using them.
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Guns are not holy relics either, yet gun obsessives treat them as such.

Which, of course, goes to illustrate my point even more.
 
Rucker61 said:
There are no "guns = holy relics". Hope this helps. Or is the "holy relic" comment also sarcasm?
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Except for gun obsessives, who treat their precious as if they had been handed down on Mount Sinai.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Guns are not holy relics either, yet gun obsessives treat them as such.

Which, of course, goes to illustrate my point even more.
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Hyperbole ill becomes you. It only illustrates that you can't build a cogent argument.
 
Rucker61 said:
Hyperbole ill becomes you. It only illustrates that you can't build a cogent argument.
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It's hardly "hyperbole" the longer you look at the situation and listen to the rhetoric of gun obsessives.
 
Tigerace117 said:
It's hardly "hyperbole" the longer you look at the situation and listen to the rhetoric of gun obsessives.
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No, it still is. You seem to have a problem interpreting reality.
 
Rucker61 said:
No, it still is. You seem to have a problem interpreting reality.
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No, the people who think that law enforcement are "jack-booted thugs" and blow up little kids because some cultists decided to start their own little Armageddon are the ones who have problems with reality.
 
TurtleDude said:
It won't. they hate the politics of pro gun voters. They cannot come out and say that so we get this mindless nonsense like claiming supporting the second amendment is about "toys" Its so mind numbing stupid you just have to laugh
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Yes, just like one laughs at your historical ignorance. It's all quite amusing.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Yes, just like one laughs at your historical ignorance. It's all quite amusing.
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wrong yet again-I just reject the irrelevant contrarian nonsense that permeates your silly arguments
 
Tigerace117 said:
No, the people who think that law enforcement are "jack-booted thugs" and blow up little kids because some cultists decided to start their own little Armageddon are the ones who have problems with reality.
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are you talking about ANTIFA or Long serving Democrat John Dingell?
 
TurtleDude said:
wrong yet again-I just reject the irrelevant contrarian nonsense that permeates your silly arguments
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I hate to break it to you, but dismissing all historical information that doesn't fit into your narrow fantasy worldview just goes to prove my point.
 
Tigerace117 said:
No, the people who think that law enforcement are "jack-booted thugs" and blow up little kids because some cultists decided to start their own little Armageddon are the ones who have problems with reality.
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Are you referring to the deaths of kids at Waco? Didn't the government start that fire?

Or these "jack booted thugs":

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Tigerace117 said:
No, I'm talking about Wayne LaPierre, Ted Kaczynksi, and David Koresh.

Try to keep up.
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What relevance does that have to the fact that the Revolution's first battle was precipitated by gun grabbing?
 
Rucker61 said:
Are you referring to the deaths of kids at Waco? Didn't the government start that fire?

Or these "jack booted thugs":

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"Although several of the surviving Branch Davidians insist that they did not start the fire, a panel of arson investigators concluded that the Davidians were responsible for igniting it, simultaneously, in at least three different areas of the compound. Unless they were deliberatley set, the probability of the three fires starting almost simultaneously was highly unlikely, according to fire experts. Furthermore, the videotapes show the use of accelerants that strongly increased the spread of the fire. Although one Branch Davidian stated that a FBI tank had tipped over a lantern, videotapes show that the tank had struck the building a minute and a half before the fire began. Also some of the surviving Davidians' clothing showed evidence of lighter fluid and other accelerants. In addition, FBI listening devices seemed to establish that the Davidians were overheard making statements such as, "Spread the fuel," some six hours before the fires began. (Joint Hearing of the Crime Subcommittee July 1995.)"

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/waco/topten2.html
 
TurtleDude said:
What relevance does that have to the fact that the Revolution's first battle was precipitated by gun grabbing?
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There never would have been a battle in the first place if so many Americans hadn't been outraged at the thought of Catholics having rights and not being able to get more land from the Native Americans.
 
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