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Shocker. Another mass shooting

OlNate said:
lol...alright, old buddy, let's do this together... I'll drive, you can knock down the doors and grab them guns. That way, when you're getting shot in the face, I'll at least be enjoying the air conditioning... :lol:

Seriously, man, you need to operate more in reality if you actually care about helping people. What you're saying is about as useful as me saying "I'm gonna buy all the homeless a home, just as soon as I win the lottery". You're American, you should know this better than me... ;)
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Oh please. If the cops show up at your house and demand your guns the only thing you will say is yes sir. Only a moron would die over this. Pick your side. LOL
 
Rucker61 said:
This shooter's conflict with this newspaper has been going on for quite some time. Nice try.
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don't confuse gun banners with facts. facts don't work with the TDS crowd either
 
Howard the Duck said:
He didn't act until yesterday, a day after Trump called journalists enemies of the state.
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well they captured him alive-maybe if he admits that is why he did it, your point might have a slim slice of merit. somehow I think you are going to be proven wrong-yet again
 
Question, what are the facts?
 
vegas giants said:
Oh please. If the cops show up at your house and demand your guns the only thing you will say is yes sir. Only a moron would die over this. Pick your side. LOL
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I pick the side of **** that will actually work, and not cause more problems. The vast vast majority of those guns, statistically, are no harm or risk to anyone. Also, only 1 in 5 Americans support #Repeal2A. So basically, you're spending all your energy on something that will never happen...maybe you can feel good about yourself for that at the end of the day, and give yourself an "attaboy", but you don't make a difference, because nothing will come of this, other than further division that will make it even tougher to find a real solution.

And if the cops come to my house, you're right, I give them my guns...I'm Canadian. How's your confidence level that the majority of Americans would say the same thing? It is estimated that the military only has around 9 million guns (where the definition includes anything that fires a projectile). Just do me a favor, and let me know when the gun grabbing begins, so I can make sure I'm well out of range. :lol:
 
Lovebug said:
Question, what are the facts?
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1) the only one for sure other than the shooting is that the shooter had a hard on for this paper that pre-dates Trump's election by several years

2) and of course he attacked employees of the same paper he had a beef with
 
OlNate said:
I pick the side of **** that will actually work, and not cause more problems. The vast vast majority of those guns, statistically, are no harm or risk to anyone. Also, only 1 in 5 Americans support #Repeal2A. So basically, you're spending all your energy on something that will never happen...maybe you can feel good about yourself for that at the end of the day, and give yourself an "attaboy", but you don't make a difference, because nothing will come of this, other than further division that will make it even tougher to find a real solution.

And if the cops come to my house, you're right, I give them my guns...I'm Canadian. How's your confidence level that the majority of Americans would say the same thing? It is estimated that the military only has around 9 million guns (where the definition includes anything that fires a projectile). Just do me a favor, and let me know when the gun grabbing begins, so I can make sure I'm well out of range. :lol:
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Not even sure who you are talking to. I would never repeal the second amendment and generally think gun bans are pointless. I think we could save a lot of lives with the Canadian system.

But hey....we americans are all alike.....right?
 
TurtleDude said:
1) the only one for sure other than the shooting is that the shooter had a hard on for this paper that pre-dates Trump's election by several years

2) and of course he attacked employees of the same paper he had a beef with
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Thank you. May be a while until we will know all the details. Surprisingly, page after page of rumors and gossip and partisan know it all.
 
vegas giants said:
Not even sure who you are talking to. I would never repeal the second amendment and generally think gun bans are pointless. I think we could save a lot of lives with the Canadian system.

But hey....we americans are all alike.....right?
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Why would you think the Canadian system would work in America? It addresses a completely different situation and culture. Our gun situation is nothing like yours. It would be like trying to put toothpaste back in the tube. Again, back to working within reality.

Glad you cleared the air on the #Repeal2A...your previous posts about people handing over guns when cops show up at doors, and getting started tomorrow in light of 300 000 000 guns in America were confusing.
 
OlNate said:
Why would you think the Canadian system would work in America? It addresses a completely different situation and culture. Our gun situation is nothing like yours. It would be like trying to put toothpaste back in the tube. Again, back to working within reality.

Glad you cleared the air on the #Repeal2A...your previous posts about people handing over guns when cops show up at doors, and getting started tomorrow in light of 300 000 000 guns in America were confusing.
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We confiscate guns now. Happens all the time. These paper target heroes act like they will go all Rambo if the cops show up. Please. They will put their hands on their heads and do as they are told.

I want your healthcare system too. Culture does not play into this
 
vegas giants said:
The first thing to be clear on is that a law COULD have prevented this. The only way to GUARANTEE no more shootings is to eliminate every gun on the planet. That said there are at least a dozen things that COULD have stopped this shooter such as mandatory training or gun registration
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I think the the first would be about as effective as outlawing alcohol in 1919.

Are you saying this guy wouldn't have done that if he had training?
 
KLATTU said:
I think the the first would be about as effective as outlawing alcohol in 1919.

Are you saying this guy wouldn't have done that if he had training?
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I am saying that in developed countries and states that have effective gun control you have a lot less gun deaths. I am saying that you can not find a country on earth with lax gun laws and low gun deaths.

These are the facts
 
vegas giants said:
I am saying that in developed countries and states that have effective gun control you have a lot less gun deaths. I am saying that you can not find a country on earth with lax gun laws and low gun deaths.

These are the facts
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How would mandatory training or registration have stopped this shooting?
 
Rucker61 said:
How would mandatory training or registration have stopped this shooting?
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He may have decided that gun ownership was not worth the hassle. A lot of these morons are not true gun lovers. They have guns because it is easy.
 
vegas giants said:
We confiscate guns now. Happens all the time. These paper target heroes act like they will go all Rambo if the cops show up. Please. They will put their hands on their heads and do as they are told.

I want your healthcare system too. Culture does not play into this
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See, this is why you are confusing, one second you're saying you're not for gun grabbing and banning, the next you're talking tough about what will happen if the cops show up to confiscate their guns. Pick a message and stick to it. Maybe not this one, as I'm not entirely sure you're right about that. At the very minimum I would expect a lot of guns wouldn't be recovered without a shovel.

Culture 100% plays into this... One big difference is that the majority of Canadians do not look at their firearms as being for self defense, whereas many Americans consider them as normal in home defense as a smoke detector. Also, it's built into your constitution. That would indicate a cultural prioritization of guns that goes well beyond anything Canadians can relate to. Multiply these variables by the number of years it's been this way, and I'm sure you can see why a Canadian approach to gun control would never fly in the states...or, at least, you should be able to.

Then, consider one more time the existing saturation of firearms in America, compared to Canada. It's just unrealistic, man... :shrug: You're spinning your wheels for nothing. You guys need to come up with your own way of protecting yourselves, in a society where there are already 300 million guns out there, and nowhere near the numbers with a desire to change that required to actually do so.

So...do you have any other ideas you'd like to discuss with the law abiding, responsible gun owners, aka citizens just like you, who's help you'd like to make things safer in America? Something that, perhaps, both sides could get on board with?
 
OlNate said:
See, this is why you are confusing, one second you're saying you're not for gun grabbing and banning, the next you're talking tough about what will happen if the cops show up to confiscate their guns. Pick a message and stick to it. Maybe not this one, as I'm not entirely sure you're right about that. At the very minimum I would expect a lot of guns wouldn't be recovered without a shovel.

Culture 100% plays into this... One big difference is that the majority of Canadians do not look at their firearms as being for self defense, whereas many Americans consider them as normal in home defense as a smoke detector. Also, it's built into your constitution. That would indicate a cultural prioritization of guns that goes well beyond anything Canadians can relate to. Multiply these variables by the number of years it's been this way, and I'm sure you can see why a Canadian approach to gun control would never fly in the states...or, at least, you should be able to.

Then, consider one more time the existing saturation of firearms in America, compared to Canada. It's just unrealistic, man... :shrug: You're spinning your wheels for nothing. You guys need to come up with your own way of protecting yourselves, in a society where there are already 300 million guns out there, and nowhere near the numbers with a desire to change that required to actually do so.

So...do you have any other ideas you'd like to discuss with the law abiding, responsible gun owners, aka citizens just like you, who's help you'd like to make things safer in America? Something that, perhaps, both sides could get on board with?
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It seems very hard for people to realize that you can have guns and have gun control. Lots of countries do it even Canada. To suggest you CAN'T have effective gun control in the US is ridiculous. And yes we confiscate guns now. They do in Canada too and in every other country. Only a moron would shoot back in a fight you can not win. Let them...Darwinism at work.
 
vegas giants said:
It seems very hard for people to realize that you can have guns and have gun control. Lots of countries do it even Canada. To suggest you CAN'T have effective gun control in the US is ridiculous. And yes we confiscate guns now. They do in Canada too and in every other country. Only a moron would shoot back in a fight you can not win. Let them...Darwinism at work.
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Hmm.. The bolded is an interesting perspective from someone wanting to save lives through gun control. I'm like super convinced you care about something other than just telling people what to do. :roll:

I'm not saying gun control wouldn't work - to your point, you have gun control already. You also have laws against the crimes committed by people with guns. I'm not saying there isn't a solution that will work for America, I'm saying it's dumb to think that a gun control program tailored for a country with a completely different gun culture isn't going to work for you.

Your problem isn't with anyone who is following existing gun control measures, it's with people who are not, in which case no amount of additional gun control will make a spot of difference, when there is already such an overwhelming number of firearms in the hands of private citizens. :shrug: Back to dealing in reality.
 
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