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FBI: Most shooters don't have mental illness[W:139]

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ve-mental-illness-get-guns-legally/718283002/

The 30-page report examines active shooter incidents from 2000 to 2013 and suspects in 63 cases, finding suspects showed signs before they attacked but law enforcement wasn't notified in more than half the cases until it was too late.

Forty percent of suspects purchased a firearm or multiple guns legally for the sole purpose of an attack. Another 35 percent already legally owned a gun before planning an attack, meaning 75 percent of active shooter incidents reviewed by the FBI legally owned the gun they used in the attack.

The remaining suspects stole, borrowed or purchased a weapon illegally.

The FBI could only verify that 25 percent of the gunmen examined in the study had any type of mental illness diagnoses, including disorders affecting mood, anxiety and personality.
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Well this is interesting.

For years now I've assumed that the shooters mostly had some kind of mental illness, but I was wrong.

It turns out that the main reason that shootings happen is that people don't recognize the warning signs or don't report it. In other words, apathy.

Perhaps the solution is as simple as that. Don't take away guns, just increase citizen vigilance. Perhaps the same apathy that is plaguing our democratic system is the one responsible for the shootings, just not in the way that partisans have been arguing about. Just a thought.
 
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Northern Light said:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ve-mental-illness-get-guns-legally/718283002/



Well this is interesting.

For years now I've assumed that the shooters mostly had some kind of mental illness, but I was wrong.

It turns out that the main reason that shootings happen is that people don't recognize the warning signs or don't report it. In other words, apathy.

Perhaps the solution is as simple as that. Don't take away guns, just increase citizen vigilance. Perhaps the same apathy that is plaguing our democratic system is the one responsible for the shootings, just not in the way that partisans have been arguing about. Just a thought.
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This is like saying a person that commits suicide but didn't get certified as depressed didn't have mental health issues. Its rather difficult to diagnose someone with mental illness when the vast majority of them kill themselves or all killed in the process.
 
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Northern Light said:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ve-mental-illness-get-guns-legally/718283002/



Well this is interesting.

For years now I've assumed that the shooters mostly had some kind of mental illness, but I was wrong.

It turns out that the main reason that shootings happen is that people don't recognize the warning signs or don't report it. In other words, apathy.

Perhaps the solution is as simple as that. Don't take away guns, just increase citizen vigilance. Perhaps the same apathy that is plaguing our democratic system is the one responsible for the shootings, just not in the way that partisans have been arguing about. Just a thought.
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Don't have mental illness and didn't have a diagnosed mental illness are not the same thing thing.A dishonest thread title.Even the article title doesn't say they don't have a mental illness. Just because a crazy person doesn't see the shrink doesn't make them any less crazy than the person who does see a shrink.
 
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jamesrage said:
Don't have mental illness and didn't have a diagnosed mental illness are not the same thing thing.A dishonest thread title.Even the article title doesn't say they don't have a mental illness. Just because a crazy person doesn't see the shrink doesn't make them any less crazy than the person who does see a shrink.
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I agree with this.

Most mental illnesses are not diagnosed.
 
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Northern Light said:
For years now I've assumed that the shooters mostly had some kind of mental illness, but I was wrong.
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You were, though you managed to skip all of the relevant (and well explained) clarification when you quoted the article;

The study noted, although, that a large portion of shooters, about 62 percent, were dealing with stressors in their lives such as depression, anxiety and paranoia before their attack.

Those symptoms don't mean the suspect was necessarily dealing with a mental illness and the conclusion that all active shooters are mentally ill is both "misleading and unhelpful," the bureau said.

"In light of the very high lifetime prevalence of the symptoms of mental illness among the U.S. population, formally diagnosed mental illness is not a very specific predictor of violence of any type, let alone targeted violence," the study says. "Careful consideration should be given to social and contextual factors that might interact with any mental health issue before concluding that an active shooting was 'caused' by mental illness."
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FBI: Most shooters don't have mental illness
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Be that as it may, they all managed to obtain a firearm and use it to threaten, kill or injure others or property.
 
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Xelor said:
Be that as it may, they all managed to obtain a firearm and use it to threaten, kill or injure others or property.
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Obvious post is obvious.
 
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Xelor said:
Be that as it may, they all managed to obtain a firearm and use it to threaten, kill or injure others or property.
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We should try to make that a bit harder to help ensure some people do not have guns
 
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vegas giants said:
We should try to make that a bit harder to help ensure some people do not have guns
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If they aren't diagnosed as mentally ill, then background checks won't stop them from legally acquiring a firearm.
 
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Rucker61 said:
If they aren't diagnosed as mentally ill, then background checks won't stop them from legally acquiring a firearm.
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A training requirement would weed out many, not all, mentally ill people
 
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vegas giants said:
A training requirement would weed out many, not all, mentally ill people
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Interesting claim. Prove it.
 
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vegas giants said:
A training requirement would weed out many, not all, mentally ill people
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What kind of training program do you envision that would do that?
 
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jamesrage said:
Don't have mental illness and didn't have a diagnosed mental illness are not the same thing thing.A dishonest thread title.Even the article title doesn't say they don't have a mental illness. Just because a crazy person doesn't see the shrink doesn't make them any less crazy than the person who does see a shrink.
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Unbelievable I have to disagree


Can’t censor this Patriot
 
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Chillfolks said:
What kind of training program do you envision that would do that?
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Both practical and written. At least one full day on the range and another in the classroom
 
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vegas giants said:
No such proof is required to adopt this training requirement
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No, but proof is needed to justify it here. It's the same as claiming that if we had mandatory training and testing in economics, rhetoric and civics for all voters we could prevent bad politicians from getting elected. No proof is necessary to adopt this training requirement.
 
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Rucker61 said:
No, but proof is needed to justify it here. It's the same as claiming that if we had mandatory training and testing in economics, rhetoric and civics for all voters we could prevent bad politicians from getting elected. No proof is necessary to adopt this training requirement.
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No its not. There is no proof driver training reduces auto deaths either but we have that (cue the rights speech). We ALREADY have mandatory training for the right to bear arms in some states. I am saying expand that and make it nationwide.
 
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vegas giants said:
No its not. There is no proof driver training reduces auto deaths either but we have that (cue the rights speech). We ALREADY have mandatory training for the right to bear arms in some states. I am saying expand that and make it nationwide.
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For no good reason at all other than to discourage firearms ownership.
 
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Rucker61 said:
For no good reason at all other than to discourage firearms ownership.
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Nope to help save lives. If this small requirement discourages you....you probably should not have a gun. We sure seem to have a lot of drivers. LOL
 
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vegas giants said:
Both practical and written. At least one full day on the range and another in the classroom
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vegas giants said:
A training requirement would weed out many, not all, mentally ill people
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Ok how is that type of training going to "weed out many" mentally ill people as you've claimed?
 
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Chillfolks said:
Ok how is that type of training going to "weed out many" mentally ill people as you've claimed?
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If you are seriously mentally ill you just won't be able to get thru it. Some will but most will not be able to tolerate it
 
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vegas giants said:
If you are seriously mentally ill you just won't be able to get thru it. Some will but most will not be able to tolerate it
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How many of the active shooters in the last ten years were seriously mentally ill enough not to pass this training?
 
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Rucker61 said:
How many of the active shooters in the last ten years were seriously mentally ill enough not to pass this training?
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I don't know. There were thousands of murders last year. Do you have those numbers?
 
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vegas giants said:
If you are seriously mentally ill you just won't be able to get thru it. Some will but most will not be able to tolerate it
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Bull****. You're making a wild claim that simply is not true. You should walk back your claim a little/lot of you want to be taken semi seriously.


I am for a training requirement for a CC that is recognized nationwide. It is because i want anyone who chooses to carry in public to have minimum level of safety and accuracy training. A firearms instructor is not a trained medical care professional qualified to make a medical decision.
 
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Chillfolks said:
Bull****. You're making a wild claim that simply is not true. You should walk back your claim a little/lot of you want to be taken semi seriously.


I am for a training requirement for a CC that is recognized nationwide. It is because i want anyone who chooses to carry in public to have minimum level of safety and accuracy training. A firearms instructor is not a trained medical care professional qualified to make a medical decision.
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Guns are not self explanatory. You are required to be trained on them in the military and for LEO. They don't work differently when in the hands of a civilian.
 
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