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FBI: Most shooters don't have mental illness[W:139]

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Lursa said:
I've never heard of a suicide of any kind 'to be public.'
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Then you must have no one you love.

Color me shocked. Lol
 
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Lursa said:
Oh for God's sake, who ever even implies that training isnt a good idea?
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Good grief, Lursa, calm down...lol... I'm on your side. I'm asking a question without an agenda...I'm just trying to understand your point of view. Was my mistake getting between you and Vegas? lolz ;)
 
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zsu2357 said:
Not saying I'm for or against but should we have mandatory training in how to write a letter and mail it? Oh wait I am against that or anything limiting those first 10 rights known as the BILL of RIGHTS.
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Oops, you're preaching to the choir, I'm a firmly against gun bans, or punishing law abiding people while creating ineffective laws that criminals will ignore. No need for the snappy caps, bud...hehe :) But, I think solutions need to be discussed, as both sides sitting with fists firmly on hips isn't going to solve the problems you guys face. That's all, man...I've been shooting since I was 9 or 10, and some of the best times of my early life were spent with a rifle in hand.
 
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Rucker61 said:
Are all suicides a massive danger to the public?
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suicides who drive the wrong way on a highway can cause multiple deaths of innocents

suicides who jump off buildings can kill those below

a pilot who wanted to die a few years back took dozens of people with him

those who hang or shoot themselves rarely harm others violently (as to mentally-that's a different issue)

me-I'd rather have someone eat a gun than do what some asshole did four decades ago-drive the wrong way on I71 in Cincinnati. He wanted to die. He, in a station wagon survived but the parents of two girls I know-in the front seat of their Porsche didn't. The two girls survived-physically-in the back seat
 
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imagep said:
Lot's of firearm accidents occur. Every day.
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they are going down while the number of guns in circulation is going up-way up
 
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imagep said:
Gun violence in the United States results in tens of thousands of deaths and injuries annually. In 2013, there were 73,505 nonfatal firearm injuries (23.2 injuries per 100,000 U.S. citizens), and 33,636 deaths due to "injury by firearms" (10.6 deaths per 100,000 U.S. citizens).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States

Looks like about 294/day, but double check my math.
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2/3 of those deaths are intentionally suicides. most of the intentional homicides that aren't legal are perpetrated by people already banned from owning firearms.
 
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vegas giants said:
Then you must have no one you love.

Color me shocked. Lol
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LOL your answer doesnt even make sense.

But in any case, wrong again.

At least you have a solid record being wrong.
 
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OlNate said:
Good grief, Lursa, calm down...lol... I'm on your side. I'm asking a question without an agenda...I'm just trying to understand your point of view. Was my mistake getting between you and Vegas? lolz ;)
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It's annoying when people cant even read. If you didnt ask that, then dont assume otherwise.
 
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Lursa said:
It's annoying when people cant even read. If you didnt ask that, then dont assume otherwise.
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Ooooo-kay.. :)
 
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Lursa said:
They are mostly 'losers' who build up resentment and anger after personal failures that they blame on others. I guess being willing to kill people because of that isnt a mental illness. But then what the hell is wrong with these (almost exclusively) males that they cannot control their emotions, learn to handle life's problems more rationally?

But I have been writing here for years that we need to be able to recognize and identify these people, so that we can track them, help them, stop them.
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Lursa said:
But then what the hell is wrong with these (almost exclusively) males that they cannot control their emotions, learn to handle life's problems more rationally?
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Oh, I know one that fits your description precisely! He is a while male. Clearly can't control his emotions. Has lots of resentment and anger. Loves to blame others. Moreover, he is often very threatening to those he does not like and has threatened with violence. He has access to weapons. People around him worry about his mental state. Others concur.

Where do I report him? He is beyond help!

His name is Trump.
 
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Lursa said:
LOL your answer doesnt even make sense.

But in any case, wrong again.

At least you have a solid record being wrong.
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Suicides destroy the lives left behind. It is a huge public health issue.

But since you have no one it's not to you
 
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vegas giants said:
Suicides destroy the lives left behind. It is a huge public health issue.

But since you have no one it's not to you
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More lies, more drama....you cannot make your arguments so you make more crap up.

Suicides are not a danger to the public.

Why do you write 'since you have no one?' Just more made up crap...that's how weak your entire position is.

Everybody here knows you have no idea about anyone else's lives. From your posting it's too depressing to speculate about what your real life must be like.
 
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Xelor said:
Be that as it may, they all managed to obtain a firearm and use it to threaten, kill or injure others or property.
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And that's the particular problem in these mass killings.
 
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jet57 said:
And that's the particular problem in these mass killings.
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That's a problem with every killing where a gun is used, and similarly for every other type of killing where some other weapon is used.
 
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Rucker61 said:
That's a problem with every killing where a gun is used, and similarly for every other type of killing where some other weapon is used.
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they all managed to obtain a firearm and use it to threaten, kill or injure others or property
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In this discussion, yes it is.
 
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TheRepublican said:
Unbelievable I have to disagree


Can’t censor this Patriot
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Why do you disagree? Is someone who is nuts and never diagnosed by a shrink any less crazy than someone who is diagnosed by a shrink as being crazy?
 
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jamesrage said:
Why do you disagree? Is someone who is nuts and never diagnosed by a shrink any less crazy than someone who is diagnosed by a shrink as being crazy?
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Nope. But, in many of the cases, the Colorado theater shooter, Adam Lanza, the VA Tech shooter and this kid in Florida, they were all diagnosed with many problems and the "professions' did very little for society or them, or too little too late.
The gun is not the problem, people are the problem, not the tool used.
 
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Mr Person said:
Well, hold on.

"In a new report released Wednesday, the bureau shed light on behaviors of shooters before they acted out, finding most obtained a gun legally and did not have diagnosed mental health issues, points that run contrary to some popular beliefs. . . The FBI could only verify that 25 percent of the gunmen examined in the study had any type of mental illness diagnoses, including disorders affecting mood, anxiety and personality. "

Diagnosed. Quite often, if someone has a mental disorder that flares up and leads to a crime (usually psychosis related to schizophrenia or something similar), that is the first time it manifests. They don't have a history of diagnoses. They just break with reality and bad things happen.

It should also be noted that if we talk about "mental illness" generally, the mentally ill are more likely to be the victims of violence in general than its perpetrators. If we're going to look at restrictions on mentally ill people owning guns, we need to make sure that specific kinds of mental illness have at least a very high correlation with specific types of violence.



I'd be interested in reading the actual report, when I have the time. It sounds like it's rather flawed from the start if it counts a lack of prior diagnosis as not having mental illness.
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imagep said:
Exactly who do you report someone that you suspect is crazy to? We no longer forcibly take people to the crazy house, most states don't even have crazy houses anymore. Seems to me that someone would only be reportable if they committed a crime.

I'm not being a smart arse, I'm being serious. Who should we report to, and what are they going to do about it?
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I'd first have to see what the FBI considers "reportable behavior" because they didn't elaborate on that. The catch-22 about calling someone mentally ill is, that requires a diagnosis for it to be real. If a shooter is being called mentally ill after the fact then that's kind of a moot point. There are a lot of people in our society who have some of the features of mental illness yet they are functional so it never gets diagnosed. In fact, it's low functionality that determines mental disorder in the first place.

I know for sure that a lot of school shootings are connected to the perps being bullied. The culture of bullying in the U.S. schools is very harsh yet accepted to the point of being a rite of passage. That should change. The adage "toughen up" is creating violent time bombs waiting to go off.

Also with all the copycats out there now, I don't know why parents who own guns would not be locking them away from their kids as a precaution.
 
tonyanzack said:
Nope. But, in many of the cases, the Colorado theater shooter, Adam Lanza, the VA Tech shooter and this kid in Florida, they were all diagnosed with many problems and the "professions' did very little for society or them, or too little too late.
The gun is not the problem, people are the problem, not the tool used.
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What should they have done?
 
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