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FBI: Most shooters don't have mental illness[W:139]

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vegas giants said:
It does not diagnose anything. They simply could not complete the training. Most trainers would simply not pass them
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please explain in detail how the training would proceed and why these people will not be able to pass that training.
 
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vegas giants said:
And we have the highest gun death rate in the developed world
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Of course.. so? whats surprising at that.

the country with the most bicycles.. probably has the most bike accidents to... Wishkabibble.

That's why "gun death rate".. is an invalid statistic.

The real facts are that despite having the highest gun ownership in the world.. our violent crime rates are comparable or better to all other developed nations and our accident rate with firearms is extremely low.. in fact.. the likelihood of a gun accident it less than slipping and falling, and less likely than an accidental poisoning.
 
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Chillfolks said:
It won't. But the person making the claim will never admit they are wrong. Kind of their thing.
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Oh I know.. but its fun to make them look foolish.
 
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Northern Light said:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ve-mental-illness-get-guns-legally/718283002/



Well this is interesting.

For years now I've assumed that the shooters mostly had some kind of mental illness, but I was wrong.

It turns out that the main reason that shootings happen is that people don't recognize the warning signs or don't report it. In other words, apathy.

Perhaps the solution is as simple as that. Don't take away guns, just increase citizen vigilance. Perhaps the same apathy that is plaguing our democratic system is the one responsible for the shootings, just not in the way that partisans have been arguing about. Just a thought.
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Well some do. Didnt Cruz, the Parkland, FL shooter? Adam Lanza, CT school shooter.

And the Cafe Racer shooter here in WA St did, his family had tried several times to have him committed. There was another mentally ill guy here that grabbed a car and drove around randomly shooting people, killed several.

But I agree. We studied this phenomenon when I worked for an HR department...it was focused more on workplace shootings, and there was a special focus on it after all the 'postal worker' shootings.

They are mostly 'losers' who build up resentment and anger after personal failures that they blame on others. I guess being willing to kill people because of that isnt a mental illness. But then what the hell is wrong with these (almost exclusively) males that they cannot control their emotions, learn to handle life's problems more rationally?

But I have been writing here for years that we need to be able to recognize and identify these people, so that we can track them, help them, stop them.
 
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vegas giants said:
I don't know. There were thousands of murders last year. Do you have those numbers?
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Ha, way to bob and weave out of that one.

there is nothing you've posted that shows a reason why most mentally ill people couldnt successfully pass day of firearm training.
 
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vegas giants said:
I believe it will. It can only help. Do you think guns are self explanatory?
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Yes, some really are. Revolvers esp.

People do not need training to load and fire any mainstream firearms.

You dont seem to have any firsthand knowledge here at all.

How much training do you think most gang members have? Or tweakers that steal a gun and go use it? :lamo
 
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vegas giants said:
I have worked with seriously mentally ill people for almost three decades. Almost all of them could complete the transaction to buy a gun. Most could not get thru two days of training
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Do these seriously mentally ill people function in society in general?
 
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Lursa said:
Yes, some really are. Revolvers esp.

People do not need training to load and fire any mainstream firearms.

You dont seem to have any firsthand knowledge here at all.

How much training do you think most gang members have? Or tweakers that steal a gun and go use it? :lamo
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You are making my point.
 
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Lursa said:
Ha, way to bob and weave out of that one.

there is nothing you've posted that shows a reason why most mentally ill people couldnt successfully pass day of firearm training.
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Guns are not self explanatory
 
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jaeger19 said:
Of course.. so? whats surprising at that.

the country with the most bicycles.. probably has the most bike accidents to... Wishkabibble.

That's why "gun death rate".. is an invalid statistic.

The real facts are that despite having the highest gun ownership in the world.. our violent crime rates are comparable or better to all other developed nations and our accident rate with firearms is extremely low.. in fact.. the likelihood of a gun accident it less than slipping and falling, and less likely than an accidental poisoning.
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Our kids are being shot in math class
 
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vegas giants said:
You are making my point.
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Training isnt needed to operate many firearms.

The training process isnt so rigorous that it would exclude most people that are able to function in society...which is most mentally ill people.
 
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vegas giants said:
Guns are not self explanatory
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Nobody said they were but you are obviously avoiding my comment that you havent demonstrated why most mentally ill people couldnt pass a day of firearm training.
 
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I have a feeling that if Vegas got the trading requirement. Within 6 months we would see Vegas starting threads on how stupid it is to train people accuracy and firearms training. Vegas would claim it only makes better marksman out of criminals. And make another plea about its really about safety while pushing oppressive anti rights policies as "common sence".
 
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Lursa said:
Training isnt needed to operate many firearms.

The training process isnt so rigorous that it would exclude most people that are able to function in society...which is most mentally ill people.
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You say training is not needed....and then talk about the training process. Hilarious
 
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Chillfolks said:
I have a feeling that if Vegas got the trading requirement. Within 6 months we would see Vegas starting threads on how stupid it is to train people accuracy and firearms training. Vegas would claim it only makes better marksman out of criminals. And make another plea about its really about safety while pushing oppressive anti rights policies as "common sence".
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Really? Lol
 
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Lursa said:
Nobody said they were but you are obviously avoiding my comment that you havent demonstrated why most mentally ill people couldnt pass a day of firearm training.
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2 days. Lol
 
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vegas giants said:
You say training is not needed....and then talk about the training process. Hilarious
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You seem to have lost track of your own argument :lamo

*Your* argument was that the training process would identify mentally ill people and enable us to prohibit their gun ownership.

I never said training was needed. I was discussing the training process...that you brought up. :mrgreen:

Remember now?
 
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vegas giants said:
2 days. Lol
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2 days is not an answer to a question that starts with 'why.'

Once again, you seem to have exhausted your mental capabilities...maybe you need a little time out? To gather your thoughts so you can accurately answer questions and remember your own arguments? :2wave:
 
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Lursa said:
Training isnt needed to operate many firearms.

The training process isnt so rigorous that it would exclude most people that are able to function in society...which is most mentally ill people.
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Boy this sure looks like it says training is not needed. It even has those exact words.

Just another lie you have been caught in. LOL
 
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vegas giants said:
Boy this sure looks like it says training is not needed. It even has those exact words.

Just another lie you have been caught in. LOL
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It's not a lie, training isnt necessary to operate most firearms.

Do you think it is? ha ha ha ha...you are so sadly informed on this subject.

Now back to "training that you brought up", your claim that the training process would identify mentally ill people.

How you doin' with that? Eh? Any proof yet? Any answers? I know you lost track of the argument but maybe this will remind you. :mrgreen:
 
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Lursa said:
Training isnt needed to operate many firearms.

The training process isnt so rigorous that it would exclude most people that are able to function in society...which is most mentally ill people.
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And then you talk about the training process....which you say is not even needed but somehow exists. Man this is funny. LOL
 
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vegas giants said:
Our kids are being shot in math class
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Uh oh back to the math class. But jaeger is right about the number of firearms in this country.If it's the number of guns then we should be having whole city blocks being wiped out everyday.
 
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zsu2357 said:
Uh oh back to the math class. But jaeger is right about the number of firearms in this country.If it's the number of guns then we should be having whole city blocks being wiped out everyday.
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We have the most guns and the highest gun death rate of any developed nation on earth.

Its the guns
 
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vegas giants said:
And then you talk about the training process....which you say is not even needed but somehow exists. Man this is funny. LOL
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And you are lying again:

vegas giants said:
A training requirement would weed out many, not all, mentally ill people
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vegas giants said:
Both practical and written. At least one full day on the range and another in the classroom
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It seems you arent capable of remembering your own arguments but they are easily identified.

Are you now denying your claim? The claim that you cant prove and have resorted to vegassing to avoid? :mrgreen:
 
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Rucker61 said:
No, but proof is needed to justify it here. It's the same as claiming that if we had mandatory training and testing in economics, rhetoric and civics for all voters we could prevent bad politicians from getting elected. No proof is necessary to adopt this training requirement.
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Can I break in and ask why you think it would be a bad idea, requiring justification? I'm not saying I'm for or against the idea, I have no point to make...at least, not yet...haha... I'm just curious why this seems over the top for you.
 
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