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Masculinity the cause of these shootings?

Bucky

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I think this is something to look into. We men have been the dominant gender for a long long time. Recently, white men have lost their dominance to minorities and women, fair or unfair. Before, if a man wanted to have sex, if he could have it, consent or no consent and there would be no punishment. If a man wanted to beat up a minority or gay, he could without having to worry about being criminalized with a hate crime.

In many of these mass shootings, the desire to kill seems to be driven by a catastrophic sense of male entitlement. In some cases, the perpetrators seemed to feel that if people did not give them precisely what they wanted, then those people did not deserve to live. The only just world, in their minds, was a world they were the center of.
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https://www.harpersbazaar.com/cultu...shootings-male-entitlement-toxic-masculinity/

If you look at the majority of school shooters, they are 100% men, the majority white. Many men are naturally born in a violent, aggressive, over-sexual environment. In the past, men could release their frustrations out legally on women or minorities. If you look at these shootings committed, they are violent, almost as if the shooter is exercising a form of male dominance.

Our society today seems to idolize men with guns. James Bond, Jack Bauer, Jason Bourne, etc.. For these shooters, it is like a fantasy come true.

I believe there is a lot of validity to this given the evidence at hand. So perhaps I was wrong before about guns being the main driver of gun violence. I think our culture plays a much bigger role!
 
I am sorry, but humanity has been violent long before anyone knew who James Bond, Jack Bauer, Jason Bourne, etc. were.

Our issue is the same, and humanity in general is still violent and willing to kill one another for any number of reasons.

The solution is still the same... evolve.
 
Bucky said:
I think this is something to look into. We men have been the dominant gender for a long long time. Recently, white men have lost their dominance to minorities and women, fair or unfair. Before, if a man wanted to have sex, if he could have it, consent or no consent and there would be no punishment. If a man wanted to beat up a minority or gay, he could without having to worry about being criminalized with a hate crime.



https://www.harpersbazaar.com/cultu...shootings-male-entitlement-toxic-masculinity/

If you look at the majority of school shooters, they are 100% men, the majority white. Many men are naturally born in a violent, aggressive, over-sexual environment. In the past, men could release their frustrations out legally on women or minorities. If you look at these shootings committed, they are violent, almost as if the shooter is exercising a form of male dominance.

Our society today seems to idolize men with guns. James Bond, Jack Bauer, Jason Bourne, etc.. For these shooters, it is like a fantasy come true.

I believe there is a lot of validity to this given the evidence at hand. So perhaps I was wrong before about guns being the main driver of gun violence. I think our culture plays a much bigger role!
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That's a ridiculous and racist way to look at things. It has nothing to do with "male entitlement" or some other stupid nonsense that has been spite out of the mouths of various so-called experts. They struggle because they deny the reality that men and women are different. We are different physically and we are different psychologically. It's 100% natural.

Men, by nature, are designed to be more aggressive and, yes, violent. That comes with the good (e.g. being the protector of the tribe) and the bad (e.g. being a killer). There's nothing really more to this than that. We could also toss in the ridiculous levels of drugging our kids up as well, and the unknown effects the industrialized world is having on our psyches which could be causing problems as well. Lots of studies showing direct links to depression and social media activity and such.
 
OrphanSlug said:
I am sorry, but humanity has been violent long before anyone knew who James Bond, Jack Bauer, Jason Bourne, etc. were.

Our issue is the same, and humanity in general is still violent and willing to kill one another for any number of reasons.

The solution is still the same... evolve.
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Right? I mean, we aren't cutting people's hearts out or using their heads for soccer games anymore.
 
Fishking said:
That's a ridiculous and racist way to look at things. It has nothing to do with "male entitlement" or some other stupid nonsense that has been spite out of the mouths of various so-called experts. They struggle because they deny the reality that men and women are different. We are different physically and we are different psychologically. It's 100% natural.

Men, by nature, are designed to be more aggressive and, yes, violent. That comes with the good (e.g. being the protector of the tribe) and the bad (e.g. being a killer). There's nothing really more to this than that. We could also toss in the ridiculous levels of drugging our kids up as well, and the unknown effects the industrialized world is having on our psyches which could be causing problems as well. Lots of studies showing direct links to depression and social media activity and such.
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Interesting. I think many of these shooters in their warped mind are doing this for the fame and adulation:

women are attracted to “toxic masculine” male phenotypes that correlate with testosterone, and they are desirous of men who are socially dominant, who are strategically risk-taking in their behaviors, and who exhibit patterns of behaviors that will allow them to ascend the social hierarchy and defend their positions from encroachers.
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/homo-consumericus/201803/is-toxic-masculinity-valid-concept

It could be said these shooters are not just doing so as a demonstration of male privilege but a form of mateship
 
Bucky said:
I think this is something to look into. We men have been the dominant gender for a long long time. Recently, white men have lost their dominance to minorities and women, fair or unfair. Before, if a man wanted to have sex, if he could have it, consent or no consent and there would be no punishment. If a man wanted to beat up a minority or gay, he could without having to worry about being criminalized with a hate crime.



https://www.harpersbazaar.com/cultu...shootings-male-entitlement-toxic-masculinity/

If you look at the majority of school shooters, they are 100% men, the majority white. Many men are naturally born in a violent, aggressive, over-sexual environment. In the past, men could release their frustrations out legally on women or minorities. If you look at these shootings committed, they are violent, almost as if the shooter is exercising a form of male dominance.

Our society today seems to idolize men with guns. James Bond, Jack Bauer, Jason Bourne, etc.. For these shooters, it is like a fantasy come true.

I believe there is a lot of validity to this given the evidence at hand. So perhaps I was wrong before about guns being the main driver of gun violence. I think our culture plays a much bigger role!
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Bucky, your post is saying one thing, but your sig and your avatar are saying something very, very different.
 
Bucky said:
Interesting. I think many of these shooters in their warped mind are doing this for the fame and adulation:
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That's definitely part of it but it is built on the foundation that men are just more violent/aggressive. I'm not saying this is good or bad, as my previous examples show it can be both.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/homo-consumericus/201803/is-toxic-masculinity-valid-concept

It could be said these shooters are not just doing so as a demonstration of male privilege but a form of mateship
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Definitely could be playing into it. After all, killing over a mate is as old as time and has been happening on animal instinctual levels since forever.
 
A place where men beat women damn near every time is in enthusiasm for the job.

Maybe that matters here.
 
OrphanSlug said:
I am sorry, but humanity has been violent long before anyone knew who James Bond, Jack Bauer, Jason Bourne, etc. were.

Our issue is the same, and humanity in general is still violent and willing to kill one another for any number of reasons.

The solution is still the same... evolve.
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Are you assuming a purpose of evolution is peace? I suggest the opposite, the purpose of evolution for mankind is greater efficiency for killing. Mankind has consistently grown and evolved toward better methods of killing, not merely ourselves but other species. And there may be a purpose underlying this aspect of evolution for which we are not yet aware. It may be a necessity for conquering the universe for all any of us knows?
 
Bucky said:
I think this is something to look into. We men have been the dominant gender for a long long time. Recently, white men have lost their dominance to minorities and women, fair or unfair. Before, if a man wanted to have sex, if he could have it, consent or no consent and there would be no punishment. If a man wanted to beat up a minority or gay, he could without having to worry about being criminalized with a hate crime.



https://www.harpersbazaar.com/cultu...shootings-male-entitlement-toxic-masculinity/
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"Male entitlement"
"Toxic Masculinity"

Meh! SJW-inspired bull****.

The problem is mental issues, piss-poor parenting and incompetent law enforcement that fails to recognize and deal with obvious future shooters and the red flags they raise.
 
Phys251 said:
Bucky, your post is saying one thing, but your sig and your avatar are saying something very, very different.
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Why would you assume conservatives prefer murders?

The American Revolution - commenced by liberals of the day rejecting unfair taxation
The War of 1812 - a continuance of the Revolution started by British after American liberal demands to end impressment of US citizens as sailors on British ships of the fleet
The Texas war of independence - commenced by liberals rejecting the military dictatorship of Santa Ana
The Civil War - tho the first shots were fired by the South, liberals demanding abolition lit the flames of war

We can continue thru the historic list of American wars, and almost always a liberal cause has been the obvious cause, tho greed was always the underlying factors of all American wars, one way or another.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Why would you assume conservatives prefer murders?

The American Revolution - commenced by liberals of the day rejecting unfair taxation
The War of 1812 - a continuance of the Revolution started by British after American liberal demands to end impressment of US citizens as sailors on British ships of the fleet
The Texas war of independence - commenced by liberals rejecting the military dictatorship of Santa Ana
The Civil War - tho the first shots were fired by the South, liberals demanding abolition lit the flames of war

We can continue thru the historic list of American wars, and almost always a liberal cause has been the obvious cause, tho greed was always the underlying factors of all American wars, one way or another.
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So much fail in that worthless post. And so off-topic.
 
Roadvirus said:
The problem is mental issues, piss-poor parenting and incompetent law enforcement that fails to recognize and deal with obvious future shooters and the red flags they raise.
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Great (and convenient for the NRA).
Those are all things the Right is completely unwilling to do anything about!
 
Bucky said:
I think this is something to look into. We men have been the dominant gender for a long long time. Recently, white men have lost their dominance to minorities and women, fair or unfair. Before, if a man wanted to have sex, if he could have it, consent or no consent and there would be no punishment. If a man wanted to beat up a minority or gay, he could without having to worry about being criminalized with a hate crime.



https://www.harpersbazaar.com/cultu...shootings-male-entitlement-toxic-masculinity/

If you look at the majority of school shooters, they are 100% men, the majority white. Many men are naturally born in a violent, aggressive, over-sexual environment. In the past, men could release their frustrations out legally on women or minorities. If you look at these shootings committed, they are violent, almost as if the shooter is exercising a form of male dominance.

Our society today seems to idolize men with guns. James Bond, Jack Bauer, Jason Bourne, etc.. For these shooters, it is like a fantasy come true.

I believe there is a lot of validity to this given the evidence at hand. So perhaps I was wrong before about guns being the main driver of gun violence. I think our culture plays a much bigger role!
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The problem is lax gun laws. We need to just state the obvious
 
RickJames3000 said:
Great (and convenient for the NRA).
Those are all things the Right is completely unwilling to do anything about!
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to left wingers-the only thing that matters is passing more idiotic BS gun laws that ONLY harass honest people. Gun restrictionists pretend that these measures are designed to reduce crime, knowing full well that such a goal is both laughable and has no role in motivating their actions.
 
OldFatGuy said:
In your not so humble opinion. So liberal of you.
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LMAO you were the one who fired off with the worthless and lie-filled distraction. Must have been all those damn Yankees that finally sent slavery to the garbage bin of US history where it belonged! :lamo
 
Bucky said:
I think this is something to look into. We men have been the dominant gender for a long long time. Recently, white men have lost their dominance to minorities and women, fair or unfair. Before, if a man wanted to have sex, if he could have it, consent or no consent and there would be no punishment. If a man wanted to beat up a minority or gay, he could without having to worry about being criminalized with a hate crime.



https://www.harpersbazaar.com/cultu...shootings-male-entitlement-toxic-masculinity/

If you look at the majority of school shooters, they are 100% men, the majority white. Many men are naturally born in a violent, aggressive, over-sexual environment. In the past, men could release their frustrations out legally on women or minorities. If you look at these shootings committed, they are violent, almost as if the shooter is exercising a form of male dominance.

Our society today seems to idolize men with guns. James Bond, Jack Bauer, Jason Bourne, etc.. For these shooters, it is like a fantasy come true.

I believe there is a lot of validity to this given the evidence at hand. So perhaps I was wrong before about guns being the main driver of gun violence. I think our culture plays a much bigger role!
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Woah....easy there trigger...

First you are trying to shoe horn a theory into a cause and in doing so you are just absolutely torturing the facts.

One of the first school mass shooters was a girl...Teenager Brenda Spencer. The last shooter was an immigrant. Cruz was hispanic. Cho was Asian...obviously not white. Gang Lu...also Asian. And then there is the distinction...MASS shooters vs school shooters, because if you include every school shooting in your numbers which the anti-gun left wants to do, then the majority of 'school shooters' are in fact minorities.

And if you are looking for manifest toxic masculinity in the mass shooters...come on...Kip Kinkel? Harris or Kleibold? Adam Lanza? Michael Carneal? In fact what you are more likely to find is bitter angry disenfranchised UNPOWERFUL youth...
 
vegas giants said:
The problem is lax gun laws. We need to just state the obvious
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California has the strictest guns laws in the country....and 2 Muslim jihadists were still able to get assault weapons and blast up a state govt building.
 
Roadvirus said:
California has the strictest guns laws in the country....and 2 Muslim jihadists were still able to get assault weapons and blast up a state govt building.
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California as a state ranks low in gun deaths. Even if you have strict speeding laws....some people will speed. That is not the fault of the law
 
Roadvirus said:
California has the strictest guns laws in the country....and 2 Muslim jihadists were still able to get assault weapons and blast up a state govt building.
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that's because those laws are designed to punish conservative voters who tend to be gun owners, and to pander to weak minded slow witted sheeple. Preventing terrorism has nothing to do with what motivates the assholes who pass those laws even if they say other wise to the low wattage voters who they successfully pander too
 
Phys251 said:
LMAO you were the one who fired off with the worthless and lie-filled distraction. Must have been all those damn Yankees that finally sent slavery to the garbage bin of US history where it belonged! :lamo
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Fool, I am one of those Yankees. Only an idiot accuses other of lying when he's just plain ignorant.
 
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