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Understanding the disarmament mentality

Slavister said:
When I asked for numbers and source, it was about your 0.01% made up number. I was wondering what the real number is and what the source for that real number is. It's Ok if you don't know.



You conveniently exclude suicides from statistics on the basis of "not a danger to the public" (as if those that die by suicide don't count!). While I disagree with that premise, let's set that aside and continue with that reasoning...

Then you say I cannot exclude deaths of people that cause car crashes only because they (mostly) died by accident but not on purpose. If you take the position that gun by suicide should not count as "danger to public" because other people did not get affected, then those that died and caused the accident also should not count. Before you start saying "but they were dangerous to the public", please note that while their own death does not count, the "danger to public" that they caused IS in fact counted, since I am still counting those that died as a result of their actions.

As an example:
- if there are 10 suicides and 2 homicides, you count that only 2 deaths matter because 10 caused their own death
- if there are 3 people killing themselves while driving into a ditch, 7 people killing themselves while driving into other cars, and 2 other people dying because of those 7 accidents, here you want to count all 12 deaths as important, even though 10 people caused their own death and "danger to public" is correctly reflected by the 2 that died "innocently".

This is inconsistent.
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Gun suicides affect a lot of people. If you have loved ones they could be in danger from this. That is a huge danger to the public. Gun control can help save some of these lives.....and they are worth saving
 
vegas giants said:
Gun suicides affect a lot of people. If you have loved ones they could be in danger from this. That is a huge danger to the public. Gun control can help save some of these lives.....and they are worth saving
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Nope. That's a false narrative.
 
vegas giants said:
Gun suicides affect a lot of people. If you have loved ones they could be in danger from this. That is a huge danger to the public. Gun control can help save some of these lives.....and they are worth saving
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I had a friend who had to suicide proof his house. It didn't involve removing any guns, but a lot of work went into removing/storing medicines and climbing ropes.
 
Rucker61 said:
I had a friend who had to suicide proof his house. It didn't involve removing any guns, but a lot of work went into removing/storing medicines and climbing ropes.
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Thank you for your personal story that has no relevance here
 
tonyanzack said:
Nope. That's a false narrative.
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Nope that is a fact. Gun suicides affect thousands and thosands of people in this country. They are a national tragedy and gun control could help to reduce it
 
vegas giants said:
Nope that is a fact. Gun suicides affect thousands and thosands of people in this country. They are a national tragedy and gun control could help to reduce it
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Yes, I agree with the highlighted, but not with your solution. We have far more vehicle accidents resulting in death, some by suicide, but do you call for vehicle control? The Tsarnaev brothers used pressure cooker bombs to kill and maim many in Boston. If this became the weapon of choice for mass killers in schools, or for suicides, would you be touting pressure cooker control or banning of same? Why do people like you, keep harping on a false narrative?
It is never about the tool, it's about the people using the tool! My guns are all behaving nicely today, none of them jumped off the shelf and hurt anyone.

btw, Kate Spade and Robin Williams, two high profile deaths by suicide, hung themselves. How many suicides have been caused by intentional or unintentional drug overdoses? Prince, Elvis, and a list of many. Suicide is cowardly and selfish, doing illegal drugs is just stupid and I lose no sleep over it.
 
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vegas giants said:
Thank you for your personal story that has no relevance here
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That's right...none of those people & their stories, affected by suicides...have any relevance here. It's not about their feelings. And it cheapens their feelings for you to *use* them in a lie that claims suicides by gun are a danger to the public.

Our Constitutional rights and any personal freedoms should not be affected by those peoples' 'feelings,' tragic tho they may be.
 
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Lursa said:
That's right...none of those people & their stories, affected by suicides...have any relevance here. It's not about their feelings. And it cheapens their feelings for you to *use* them in a lie that claims suicides are a danger to the public.

Our Constitutional rights and any personal freedoms should not be affected by those peoples' 'feelings,' tragic tho they may be.
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Exactly to all of that. Thank you
 
Lursa said:
That's right...none of those people & their stories, affected by suicides...have any relevance here. It's not about their feelings. And it cheapens their feelings for you to *use* them in a lie that claims suicides are a danger to the public.

Our Constitutional rights and any personal freedoms should not be affected by those peoples' 'feelings,' tragic tho they may be.
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To not want to use gun control to help save their lives is criminal. These are human beings
 
vegas giants said:
To not want to use gun control to help save their lives is criminal. These are human beings
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That's your opinion. Now you can see that your opinion about 'feelings' is invalid when it comes to reducing people's rights.

I think it's criminal to take away my rights and my ability to protect myself because of other people's personal problems. Gun owners are 'human beings" too :roll:

There is no gun control that will stop suicide by gun except a complete gun ban, because the most basic tenet of the 2A is to "keep" a firearm.

So...have you been lying that you dont want all guns banned?
 
vegas giants said:
To not want to use gun control to help save their lives is criminal. These are human beings
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Who made bad choices. It's on them, not on people who had nothing to do with their actions. Stop Projecting!
Why do you want the many, to pay for the stupidity of a few???

It's criminal and irresponsible to to have gun control and my rights count too.
 
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Lursa said:
That's your opinion. Now you can see that your opinion about 'feelings' is invalid when it comes to reducing people's rights.

I think it's criminal to take away my rights and my ability to protect myself because of other people's personal problems. Gun owners are 'human beings" too :roll:

There is no gun control that will stop suicide by gun except a complete gun ban, because the most basic tenet of the 2A is to "keep" a firearm.

So...have you been lying that you dont want all guns banned?
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That was my thought.
 
vegas giants said:
Nope that is a fact. Gun suicides affect thousands and thosands of people in this country. They are a national tragedy and gun control could help to reduce it
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Sure.. just like it reduced the suicide rate in Japan..

Oh wait.. Japan's suicide rate is much higher than the us...

Facts are again not on your side Vegas.
 
tonyanzack said:
Who made bad choices. It's on them, not on people who had nothing to do with their actions. Stop Projecting!
Why do you want the many, to pay for the stupidity of a few???

It's criminal and irresponsible to to have gun control and my rights count too.
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Bad choices? Stupidity? A lot of these guys are veterans who went to war for you. And you call them stupid. Disgraceful
 
jaeger19 said:
Sure.. just like it reduced the suicide rate in Japan..

Oh wait.. Japan's suicide rate is much higher than the us...

Facts are again not on your side Vegas.
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The evidence is quite clear in the US. Guess which states have the most suicides. Lol
 
Lursa said:
That's your opinion. Now you can see that your opinion about 'feelings' is invalid when it comes to reducing people's rights.

I think it's criminal to take away my rights and my ability to protect myself because of other people's personal problems. Gun owners are 'human beings" too :roll:

There is no gun control that will stop suicide by gun except a complete gun ban, because the most basic tenet of the 2A is to "keep" a firearm.

So...have you been lying that you dont want all guns banned?
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You are lying....again
 
vegas giants said:
You are lying....again
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No, you are lying to get out of another failed response.

Feel free to specify where the lie is in my post or just admit you failed again.
 
Lursa said:
No, you are lying to get out of another failed response.

Feel free to specify where the lie is in my post or just admit you failed again.
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You are lying.....again
 
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