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Being a student is more dangerous than being in the military it seems these days

Bucky

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Graham wrote, “So far this year, more students have been killed in schools than soldiers in combat zones.”

On the numbers, she is right. This year at least, within Graham’s stated parameters, exactly twice as many students have died in school shootings than military personnel have died in combat zones.
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PolitiFact: A comparison of student and soldier fatalities

I just look at the access to guns. It is just too easy to gain access to guns. Too easy.

I am starting to realize, schools are a combat zone. I could never have imagined we would be talking about so many mass shootings. Shooting after shooting, after shooting - Parkland, Las Vegas, Santa Fe.

That is all.
 
Bucky said:
PolitiFact: A comparison of student and soldier fatalities

I just look at the access to guns. It is just too easy to gain access to guns. Too easy.

I am starting to realize, schools are a combat zone. I could never have imagined we would be talking about so many mass shootings. Shooting after shooting, after shooting - Parkland, Las Vegas, Santa Fe.

That is all.
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If we are to solve the problem, we need to focus the attention on shootings and shooters and shift away from the idea that it is the tool's fault.
 
jimbo said:
If we are to solve the problem, we need to focus the attention on shootings and shooters and shift away from the idea that it is the tool's fault.
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If we were consistently having problems with people driving tanks through schools and crowded areas, we might consider regulating tank ownership. The guilt may lie with the perpetrator, but granting unfettered access to the tools of mass murder is the fault of the society who allowed it.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
If we were consistently having problems with people driving tanks through schools and crowded areas, we might consider regulating tank ownership. The guilt may lie with the perpetrator, but granting unfettered access to the tools of mass murder is the fault of the society who allowed it.
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Not unless it was found that tanks had somehow figured out how to drive themselves.
 
jimbo said:
Not unless it was found that tanks had somehow figured out how to drive themselves.
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That's the thing though jimbo. An automatic gun essentially is shooting itself. It is a weapon that does not require much skill from the user of the gun to inflict a lot of deaths.
 
Bucky said:
PolitiFact: A comparison of student and soldier fatalities

I just look at the access to guns. It is just too easy to gain access to guns. Too easy.

I am starting to realize, schools are a combat zone. I could never have imagined we would be talking about so many mass shootings. Shooting after shooting, after shooting - Parkland, Las Vegas, Santa Fe.

That is all.
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Bull****. There are thousands of schools in the USA, and yes things do happen. Rarely. But when they do they have the media impact of a meteor strike. It's the only thing the media likes better than trashing Trump.

It's like the mother who hears on CNN about a kidnapping: "Quick, get the kids inside. There has been a kidnapping in Cincinnati!" Only she lives in Los Angles.

Cable news makes all tragedies seem local.

"The tools of murder are between the ears"
 
Bucky said:
That's the thing though jimbo. An automatic gun essentially is shooting itself. It is a weapon that does not require much skill from the user of the gun to inflict a lot of deaths.
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You're just demonstrating your total lack of firearm knowledge.

There are comparatively few automatic guns in private hands. About 200,000 + including LEO if I remember correctly. None have been implicated in a crime since the St Valentines Day massacre.

Automatic or single shot. Guns do not shoot themselves. I could crack a one liner about guns being smart enough not to shoot them selves, but I won't.

True. they don't require much skill to pull the trigger. Considerably more to hit what you are aiming at. But why is that an issue? It's still the trigger puller causing the problem.

The left demands we confiscate guns from law abiding citizens. Believing that will remove them from non law abiding citizens. The left pays lip service to addressing the shooter with positing a solution.

Until we focus on the problem rather than the tool we will never solve the problrem.
 
jimbo said:
You're just demonstrating your total lack of firearm knowledge.

There are comparatively few automatic guns in private hands. About 200,000 + including LEO if I remember correctly. None have been implicated in a crime since the St Valentines Day massacre.

Automatic or single shot. Guns do not shoot themselves. I could crack a one liner about guns being smart enough not to shoot them selves, but I won't.

True. they don't require much skill to pull the trigger. Considerably more to hit what you are aiming at. But why is that an issue? It's still the trigger puller causing the problem.

The left demands we confiscate guns from law abiding citizens. Believing that will remove them from non law abiding citizens. The left pays lip service to addressing the shooter with positing a solution.

Until we focus on the problem rather than the tool we will never solve the problrem.
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This post is deceptive to the untrained eye, but you are not fooling me.

Semi-automatic weapons can easily mimic an automatic firearm. With bumstock, and a few changes to certain parts of the gun, you can make a semi-automatic weapon, very similar to an automatic weapon very easily.

Stop parroting NRA lies Jimbo.
 
Bucky said:
PolitiFact: A comparison of student and soldier fatalities

I just look at the access to guns. It is just too easy to gain access to guns. Too easy.

I am starting to realize, schools are a combat zone. I could never have imagined we would be talking about so many mass shootings. Shooting after shooting, after shooting - Parkland, Las Vegas, Santa Fe.

That is all.
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Your claim is disingenuous at best as you are comparing about 20,000 G.I.s to over 50 million students (K. - 12).

With hundreds of millions of firearms already in circulation throughout the US, kids will continue to have easy access to firearms just as they violate countless existing gun laws when school shooters inflict their carnage.

Yes, the recent phenomenon of school shootings is unacceptable but kids in America have always had easy access to firearms so it's not the guns. Something has desensitized today's students as to the value of human life just as something has made them unable to deal with life's common adversities.
Until we discover and address what is inciting the current generation of students, the behavior will continue unless we enhance school security and fix our broken mental health system to detect and treat potential killers BEFORE they kill.

Neither solutions will be cheap but doing nothing is not an option.
 
Bucky said:
PolitiFact: A comparison of student and soldier fatalities

I just look at the access to guns. It is just too easy to gain access to guns. Too easy.

I am starting to realize, schools are a combat zone. I could never have imagined we would be talking about so many mass shootings. Shooting after shooting, after shooting - Parkland, Las Vegas, Santa Fe.

That is all.
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Here's the real question though; what's happened between the last generation and this one? Us baby boomers would never have even thought of doing something like that and neither would our parents and grandparents when they were in school. But something has definitely changed...

What is it?
 
Bucky said:
This post is deceptive to the untrained eye, but you are not fooling me.

Semi-automatic weapons can easily mimic an automatic firearm. With bumstock, and a few changes to certain parts of the gun, you can make a semi-automatic weapon, very similar to an automatic weapon very easily.

Stop parroting NRA lies Jimbo.
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Is that what any these school kids are doing?
 
Bucky said:
This post is deceptive to the untrained eye, but you are not fooling me.

Semi-automatic weapons can easily mimic an automatic firearm. With bumstock, and a few changes to certain parts of the gun, you can make a semi-automatic weapon, very similar to an automatic weapon very easily.

Stop parroting NRA lies Jimbo.
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You really don't know much about firearms, do you? Bumstocks?

You can't turn your Wally World semi into a full automatic with a bumstock and a few home made parts. And especially not legally. If that's the NRA position, then yes, I agree. I'll give you 10 Librobucks for working NRA into the conversation.

You can however turn your Wally World 10/22 into an eevil nasty killing machine just by screwing on a folding thumb hole stock and a bayonet mount.
 
jet57 said:
Here's the real question though; what's happened between the last generation and this one? Us baby boomers would never have even thought of doing something like that and neither would our parents and grandparents when they were in school. But something has definitely changed...

What is it?
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Well, we're less religious. Fear of hell is a powerful tool. Then there is the way have our schools operating now.

My daughter is required to call every one of her classmates "friends", meanwhile, she's confused, because there's a girl who is mean to her, so I tell her to stop referring to this person as a friend...she doesn't understand what the word means.
 
Bucky said:
This post is deceptive to the untrained eye, but you are not fooling me.

Semi-automatic weapons can easily mimic an automatic firearm. With bumstock, and a few changes to certain parts of the gun, you can make a semi-automatic weapon, very similar to an automatic weapon very easily.

Stop parroting NRA lies Jimbo.
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I assume you are referring to "bump stocks" which while they waste lots of ammunition do not do not make the firearm more lethal.

While you may be very knowledgable on many other topics, you are poorly informed as to the ease by which a semi automatic firearm can be rendered fully automatic.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
If we were consistently having problems with people driving tanks through schools and crowded areas, we might consider regulating tank ownership. The guilt may lie with the perpetrator, but granting unfettered access to the tools of mass murder is the fault of the society who allowed it.
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It's never been more difficult to get a gun than it is now. Why didn't we have school shootings at this rate through the 90s?
 
B'smith said:
Re: I assume you are referring to "bump stocks" which while they waste lots of ammunition do not do not make the firearm more lethal.

While you may be very knowledgable on many other topics, you are poorly informed as to the ease by which a semi automatic firearm can be rendered fully automatic.
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These are minor details that do not have much relevance to the overall gun debate.
 
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Bucky said:
PolitiFact: A comparison of student and soldier fatalities

I just look at the access to guns. It is just too easy to gain access to guns. Too easy.

I am starting to realize, schools are a combat zone. I could never have imagined we would be talking about so many mass shootings. Shooting after shooting, after shooting - Parkland, Las Vegas, Santa Fe.

That is all.
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Attending school is less dangerous than being at home, walking outside or being in a car.
 
Bucky said:
These are minor details that do not have much relevance to the overall gun debate.
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They go to the credibility of the source. That's not a detail.
 
Bucky said:
PolitiFact: A comparison of student and soldier fatalities

I just look at the access to guns. It is just too easy to gain access to guns. Too easy.

I am starting to realize, schools are a combat zone. I could never have imagined we would be talking about so many mass shootings. Shooting after shooting, after shooting - Parkland, Las Vegas, Santa Fe.

That is all.
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Were you saying this when more people were dying in Chicago than in combat in Afghanistan?
Were you issuing a call to take the guns away from the street thugs then?
 
Bucky said:
PolitiFact: A comparison of student and soldier fatalities

I just look at the access to guns. It is just too easy to gain access to guns. Too easy.

I am starting to realize, schools are a combat zone. I could never have imagined we would be talking about so many mass shootings. Shooting after shooting, after shooting - Parkland, Las Vegas, Santa Fe.

That is all.
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There might have been another one in IN yesterday, had it not been for one heroic teacher.
Our society has crumbling morals and no sense of right and wrong.
That is the issue.
GUNS have always been here and readily available.
What has changed is our sense of right and wrong.

...but that does not quite fit the gun banners agenda, does it?
 
Bucky said:
That's the thing though jimbo. An automatic gun essentially is shooting itself. It is a weapon that does not require much skill from the user of the gun to inflict a lot of deaths.
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but it DOES require a finger on the trigger, and its sights to be brought to bear on the target.
You forgot those critical details.
No one with a brain will say a rifle "essentially shoots itself".
This demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of how they work.
 
There Is No ‘Epidemic of Mass School Shootings’

American children do not “risk their lives” when they show up to school each morning — or at least, not nearly as much as they do whenever they ride in a car, swim in a pool, or put food in their mouths (an American’s lifetime odds of dying in a mass shooting committed in any location is 1 in 11,125; of dying in a car accident is 1 and 491; of drowning is 1 in 1,133; and of choking on food is 1 in 3,461). Criminal victimization in American schools has collapsed in tandem with the overall crime rate, leaving U.S. classrooms safer today than at any time in recent memory.

There Is No ?Epidemic of Mass School Shootings?
 
jet57 said:
Here's the real question though; what's happened between the last generation and this one? Us baby boomers would never have even thought of doing something like that and neither would our parents and grandparents when they were in school. But something has definitely changed...

What is it?
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...and THIS ^^^^ is exactly the issue.
any talk of anything else is a waste of time and will not solve the problem.

Good one, Jet.
 
Bucky said:
These are minor details that do not have much relevance to the overall gun debate.
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They have a whole lot of bearing if you want to be thought of as someone who knows what you are talking about.
When you start being completely inaccurate about the subject, it destroys your credibility.

I have issues with immunizations, but you will never catch me discussing proteins, infection rates, and other medical jargon. If i tried to do that, they would know I have no idea about the subject medically.

This is where you need to stop. Just stick with how you feel and stop trying to say technical details about guns.
You have no idea about those.
Just stick with your emotions.
Believe me, you do not want to tangle with gun nuts about technical stuff.

I know one website were they will argue about what bolt was made for the M1 Garand rifle and when.
I had one made by Beretta and it caused a crap storm for the rest of the afternoon.
(P. B. on the bolt. You guys know what I mean ;) )
Stick with your emotions and stay away from technical details....they will eat you alive.

Heed the word of the late, great Harry Chapin...."...just write about your feelings, not the things you never did ".
 
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