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Being a student is more dangerous than being in the military it seems these days

Bucky said:
I never said guns fire themselves. However, the characteristics of an automatic weapon are what makes them dangerous. Many semi-automatic weapons mimic and follow the same characteristics of a fully automatic weapon.
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You said automatics essentially fire themselves.

You really, really, need to pay attention to those who are suggesting you are in way over your head.
 
jet57 said:
There are definitely more guns and kids like the Texas shooter etc get access to them and that's how we wind up in these situations; there were two more just this week, so access IS easier.

But why the choice of guns?
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The fact that more kids shoot up schools does not mean access is easier. It isn't. It may mean more kids are accessing.

I'm not sure most banners or access limiters realize how easy it was to access a weapon 30 or more years ago. Guns were stored standing in open gun racks in the family room. HS boys had 2 or 3 displayed in the rear window of the pick up Any 12 year old with 25 bucks in his pocket could walk out of a gun store or a K Mart with a gun in a sack. I bought 2 from the CMP through the mail before I could drive. We never thought about settling our differences with firearms.

No, access is not how we wind up in these positions. It must be something else.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That is an excellent reason to implement very strict school security, perhaps even to raise the driving age to 21, but not to enact gobs of new "gun control" laws.
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Yeah, that's the ticket: be more like Israel...

We're talking about two different issues though.
 
jimbo said:
The fact that more kids shoot up schools does not mean access is easier. It isn't. It may mean more kids are accessing.

I'm not sure most banners or access limiters realize how easy it was to access a weapon 30 or more years ago. Guns were stored standing in open gun racks in the family room. HS boys had 2 or 3 displayed in the rear window of the pick up Any 12 year old with 25 bucks in his pocket could walk out of a gun store or a K Mart with a gun in a sack. I bought 2 from the CMP through the mail before I could drive. We never thought about settling our differences with firearms.

No, access is not how we wind up in these positions. It must be something else.
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More guns means more access; less locks means easier access; but that's not the question. The question is why guns and why the necessity to kill at school?
 
jet57 said:
More guns means more access; less locks means easier access; but that's not the question. The question is why guns and why the necessity to kill at school?
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More guns does not mean more access. There are are more, not less, locks today than ever before. And yet, more mass violence. You can't blame access.
 
jimbo said:
More guns does not mean more access. There are are more, not less, locks today than ever before. And yet, more mass violence. You can't blame access.
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Of course it does. And yes I can blame access as well.
 
Bucky said:
PolitiFact: A comparison of student and soldier fatalities

I just look at the access to guns. It is just too easy to gain access to guns. Too easy.

I am starting to realize, schools are a combat zone. I could never have imagined we would be talking about so many mass shootings. Shooting after shooting, after shooting - Parkland, Las Vegas, Santa Fe.

That is all.
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Hmm lets see.Well Bucky the difference is that soldiers especially those in combat zones are armed and able to shoot back.Now disarm them and watch the number of deaths grow. So maybe Graham dosen't know what he is talking about.
 
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Bucky said:
That's the thing though jimbo. An automatic gun essentially is shooting itself. It is a weapon that does not require much skill from the user of the gun to inflict a lot of deaths.
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Ah come on Bucky now you are giving vegas a run for his money on silly statements.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Access to guns is not easier since a lower percentage of homes now have guns in them and you can't buy them from a store w/o a BGC. Not so many years ago (early to mid 1990's) you could bop on into a Western Auto store and buy a shiny new handgun and a few boxes of ammo using an out of state ID.

The choice of guns is so that even a wimp can become a mass killer - which also has not changed. Perhaps what has changed the most is that a mass shooter now gets gobs of national (global?) press, television and social media attention.
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Not long ago you could buy firearms from the Sears or Wards catalog JC Higgins or Western Field.
 
=Bucky;1068564492]This post is deceptive to the untrained eye, but you are not fooling me.
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Well Bucky I guess you must have a very will trained eye. Question is in what?
Semi-automatic weapons can easily mimic an automatic firearm. With bumstock, and a few changes to certain parts of the gun, you can make a semi-automatic weapon, very similar to an automatic weapon very easily.
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Go ahead and admit it...you had never even heard of a bump stock up until after the Vegas shooting, as millions of other anti gun people hadn't either, now it's a rallying cry. And if your talking about converting semi autos to autos(simulated auto). I suspect you are referring to bump stocks since you seem to think it's so easy. Now actually converting one is not as easy as it sounds or as cheap for that matter. Learn what you are talking about and just not what you've heard and you will see a big difference.
Stop parroting NRA lies Jimbo.
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Not sure what you think those lies are unless it's the fact that a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun. Or just everything about the NRA in general without even knowing what they are and do other than what you have heard.
 
jet57 said:
Here's the real question though; what's happened between the last generation and this one? Us baby boomers would never have even thought of doing something like that and neither would our parents and grandparents when they were in school. But something has definitely changed...

What is it?
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Good question. I took my .300 savage to school to work on the action in shop class along with the stock and I walked down the street and into the school with it slung and no one batted an eye and this was in Salem,OR. in the early 70's. But you are right what's changed? Over medicated kids for thing and letting them do as they pretty much please without consequences whereas we got a good old fashioned butt whipping.
 
Bucky said:
Most automated vehicles require a person to be in the vehicle as well.
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Well Bucky that is true. And what if they are sitting in the backseat as you seem to be when it comes to firearms? I could be in a 767,but that don't mean I know how to fly it.
 
Bucky said:
I never said guns fire themselves. However, the characteristics of an automatic weapon are what makes them dangerous. Many semi-automatic weapons mimic and follow the same characteristics of a fully automatic weapon.
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Still going on about that bump stock crap aren't you.
 
Bucky said:
My point wasn't really even that wrong. Considering many semi-automatic weapons mimic fully automatic weapons, they both should be illegal and banned. Are you happy?
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Odd. My semi autos never have nor would I really want them to. I like to hit what I aim at.
 
zsu2357 said:
Good question. I took my .300 savage to school to work on the action in shop class along with the stock and I walked down the street and into the school with it slung and no one batted an eye and this was in Salem,OR. in the early 70's. But you are right what's changed? Over medicated kids for thing and letting them do as they pretty much please without consequences whereas we got a good old fashioned butt whipping.
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I too carried my rifle (in it's case) to a friend's house: '74 +or- and nobody said anything at all to me either.

The psyche of the country has changed: it's gotten meaner and more violent. I time it to the Iran hostage crises. It hasn't let up since.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
If we were consistently having problems with people driving tanks through schools and crowded areas, we might consider regulating tank ownership. The guilt may lie with the perpetrator, but granting unfettered access to the tools of mass murder is the fault of the society who allowed it.
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whopping lie there. this is why I have no use for the anti gun arguments-they are invariably based on lies.
 
Bucky said:
That's the thing though jimbo. An automatic gun essentially is shooting itself. It is a weapon that does not require much skill from the user of the gun to inflict a lot of deaths.
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stop the blood clot lies. This is another idiotic statement. NO ONE HAS BEEN MURDERED BY A LEGALLY OWNED privately possessed automatic weapon in the USA in two decades.
 
Bucky said:
This post is deceptive to the untrained eye, but you are not fooling me.

Semi-automatic weapons can easily mimic an automatic firearm. With bumstock, and a few changes to certain parts of the gun, you can make a semi-automatic weapon, very similar to an automatic weapon very easily.



Stop parroting NRA lies Jimbo.
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you have no room to talk about the NRA lying when you post this crap
 
Bucky said:
These are minor details that do not have much relevance to the overall gun debate.
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translation-you are spewing lies and when you are called on the lies, you try to pretend your lies don't matter
 
Go ask a soldier stationed in some arm pit where half the people would help kill you if they feel safer than a school room. People say the dumbest things some times, almost to the point of embarrassing themselves.
 
Bucky said:
I never said guns fire themselves. However, the characteristics of an automatic weapon are what makes them dangerous. Many semi-automatic weapons mimic and follow the same characteristics of a fully automatic weapon.
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you are lying yet again. Stick to your emotional hatred of guns rather than trying to pretend you have even the slightest sliver of a clue concerning the issue
 
jet57 said:
Of course it does. And yes I can blame access as well.
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of course you can but then again being wrong is a constant with you. Notice my signature, that alone should divest any intelligent adult believing anything you say about guns
 
of course you can but then again being wrong is a constant with you. Notice my signature, that alone should divest any intelligent adult believing anything you say about guns
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All the good dialogue about a real question that gun guy comes up with this.

A consistent reason that there will never be a good answer.
 
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