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So, Did the shooter in Santa Fe, Texas use a shotgun?

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I heard the shooter in the Santa Fe, Texas school shooting used a shotgun; anyone know if that is true?
 
Shotgun and .38 revolver....from police spokesman. Not exactly fast firing/loading?






Edit: was the Governor, not police spox.
 
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Rexedgar said:
Shotgun and .38 revolver....from police spokesman. Not exactly fast firing/loading?
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Exactly, and 2 that fall under almost no restrictions ever suggested by anti-gun people. The only thing would be complete bans (which most swear they dont 'mean').

It seems like his father owned them, legally.

It's not the guns, it's the people. We need to figure out how and why our society is creating these losers.
 
According to the*Houston Chronicle, Pagourtzis used a variety of weapons in his attack—an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle, a pistol, a shotgun, and pipe bombs. It’s unclear if any of the explosives were detonated. The shooting is the worst in the United States since February.
 
Lursa said:
Exactly, and 2 that fall under almost no restrictions ever suggested by anti-gun people. The only thing would be complete bans (which most swear they dont 'mean').

It seems like his father owned them, legally.

It's not the guns, it's the people. We need to figure out how and why our society is creating these losers.
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We don’t teach coping skills any longer..........I’m not optimistic for the future.......


Now the politicians march in....
 
well, I guess the gun grabber crowd will be going after grandpa's shotgun now ............

I heard pipe bombs are highly regulated & illegal; I guess the gun grabber crowd will want those things banned, again
 
Rexedgar said:
We don’t teach coping skills any longer..........I’m not optimistic for the future.......
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We dont allow kids to deal with real life consequences like failures and rejection (esp when younger and things dont have as much impact) or set reasonable expectations in life for them either.
 
cuban smokes said:
well, I guess the gun grabber crowd will be going after grandpa's shotgun now ............
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Well if they do, there'll be no more lying about not wanting to ban guns then.
 
cuban smokes said:
I heard the shooter in the Santa Fe, Texas school shooting used a shotgun; anyone know if that is true?
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Yes, along with a .38 call revolver, neither of which did he legally own.
 
tecoyah said:
According to the*Houston Chronicle, Pagourtzis used a variety of weapons in his attack—an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle, a pistol, a shotgun, and pipe bombs. It’s unclear if any of the explosives were detonated. The shooting is the worst in the United States since February.
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The governor just said otherwise.
 
tecoyah said:
According to the*Houston Chronicle, Pagourtzis used a variety of weapons in his attack—an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle, a pistol, a shotgun, and pipe bombs. It’s unclear if any of the explosives were detonated. The shooting is the worst in the United States since February.
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Governor Greg Abbott confirmed he used a shotgun and .38 revolver that belonged to his Father.

“We also know information already that the shooter has information contained in his journal and cellphone that he said that not only did he want to commit the shooting, but he wanted to commit suicide after the shooting. As you probably know, he gave himself up and admitted at the time that he didn’t have the courage to commit the suicide that he wanted to take his own life earlier,” said Abbott.

Suspect ID’d In Deadly Santa Fe High School Shooting « CBS Dallas / Fort Worth
 
Casper said:
Yes, along with a .38 call revolver, neither of which did he legally own.
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I didn’t hear what kind of shotgun, but they seem like a ‘clumsy’ combination. I have small experience with both weapons.
Making explosives speaks to prior planning/time, cannot see the weapons choice if there was time/planning.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Governor Greg Abbott confirmed he used a shotgun and .38 revolver that belonged to his Father.

“We also know information already that the shooter has information contained in his journal and cellphone that he said that not only did he want to commit the shooting, but he wanted to commit suicide after the shooting. As you probably know, he gave himself up and admitted at the time that he didn’t have the courage to commit the suicide that he wanted to take his own life earlier,” said Abbott.

Suspect ID’d In Deadly Santa Fe High School Shooting « CBS Dallas / Fort Worth
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The governor must be wrong. My understanding is that he used an AR-14, an AR-15, and AR-16, and even an AR-17! And they all had extended paper clips, too. Just think of all the AK's he could've used just to get to 47. It's mind boggling.
 
Rexedgar said:
I didn’t hear what kind of shotgun, but they seem like a ‘clumsy’ combination. I have small experience with both weapons.
Making explosives speaks to prior planning/time, cannot see the weapons choice if there was time/planning.
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He couldnt have gotten any firearms legally...so the system worked there. As a partial deterrent.

So that leaves stealing them or buying them illegally on the street (not sure how many suburban teens would know how to manage this).

All the other materials they used could be bought legally (the bomb materials).

So if he wanted to remain under the radar, maybe stealing dad's guns was the easiest thing. Not to mention that he did alot of damage with that shotgun anyway :(
 
Rexedgar said:
I didn’t hear what kind of shotgun, but they seem like a ‘clumsy’ combination. I have small experience with both weapons.
Making explosives speaks to prior planning/time, cannot see the weapons choice if there was time/planning.
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He used what he could get his hands on. My understanding is he was very quiet and wore a duster everyday and a t-shirt with Born to Kill on it, yet no one thought anything might need to be addressed.
 
humbolt said:
The governor must be wrong. My understanding is that he used an AR-14, an AR-15, and AR-16, and even an AR-17! And they all had extended paper clips, too. Just think of all the AK's he could've used just to get to 47. It's mind boggling.
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Probably not the best time or place for joking. Just Saying....
 
Casper said:
He used what he could get his hands on. My understanding is he was very quiet and wore a duster everyday and a t-shirt with Born to Kill on it, yet no one thought anything might need to be addressed.
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Didnt the Columbine shooters wear dusters?

If he wore that stuff regularly, esp the T-shirt...were there no red flags raised???? Parents? Did teachers see the shirt? Neighbors, friends?
 
Lursa said:
It's not the guns, it's the people. We need to figure out how and why our society is creating these losers.
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Helllllooooooooo. [bolded is mine]

The CIA and the Gulf War
by John Stockwell

...

The conditioning to war in this country begins at the age of two, when we put our children in front of the one-eyed baby-sitter, and we turn it on and we go wash dishes or sweep the floor or clean the car — and we teach them. Actually, little kids (I don't know if you've done this recently), they're bored with TV at first. You have to get them hooked on it. We teach them, actually, to watch television. And very quickly they learn. And then they get to where they're watching 10 to 15 to 20 shows a day, all of them the same show, the same story with different characters. I call it the "American Syndrome."

I'm talking about ..... We're raising a little boy who's 12 now. And he's heard my lectures. And I have to sit down and watch some of his TV with him so I can understand. You know, he says, "Daddy, c'mere." So, we've watched, over recent years: HE-MAN, SHEENA, THE THUNDERCATS, SCOOBY-DOO, and now it's the NINJA TURTLES, and THE RAIDERS — I forget.

Always the same plot: Nice little people — attractive, usually light-skinned or light- complected, who are put upon by ugly, dark, evil forces like Skeletor. And they always say: "Please be nice. We don't want trouble." And the evil forces always insist. And at the last minute they leap around and miraculously defeat the evil forces. Cut! Commercial! And we plunge back into the same story with other characters. The "American Syndrome" of the nice people who loathe war, who wouldn't go to war, ever, except it's drummed into Americans from the age of two, that we're a nice, peace-loving nation, the good guys of the World who very reluctantly go to war when evil forces force it upon us.

John Stockwell: The CIA and the Gulf War
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Lursa said:
Didnt the Columbine shooters wear dusters?

If he wore that stuff regularly, esp the T-shirt...were there no red flags raised???? Parents? Did teachers see the shirt? Neighbors, friends?
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Yes, on all counts.
 
Lursa said:
It's not the guns, it's the people. We need to figure out how and why our society is creating these losers.
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They aren't losers, they are military recruits who haven't yet been taught where to focus their homicidal tendencies.

Born in the U.S.A., I was born in the U.S.A.
I was born in the U.S.A., born in the U.S.A.

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Sent me off to a foreign land
To go and kill the yellow man
 
So are all the big AR15 fans are breathing a sigh of relief today?
 
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