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Does anyone here know when the term GUN RIGHTS was first used and made popular to describe the right of a citizen to own firearms as described in the Second Amendment?

I can find nothing which traces this term and it causes me to wonder if this is a relatively modern evolution of language and how we look at Second Amendment rights.

We have lots of knowledgable people here and I am hoping somebody has this information and can make it available.
 
I am guessing it is the grammar of it that makes you wonder. I don’t know but we also use terms like abortion rights and voting rights. I think it is just an accepted form of short hand. But it would be interesting to know when it started. My google-fu seems to fail me this time.
 
haymarket said:
Does anyone here know when the term GUN RIGHTS was first used and made popular to describe the right of a citizen to own firearms as described in the Second Amendment?

I can find nothing which traces this term and it causes me to wonder if this is a relatively modern evolution of language and how we look at Second Amendment rights.

We have lots of knowledgable people here and I am hoping somebody has this information and can make it available.
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I didnt pay attention in the other thread where this came up.

Are people not using this to mean the same thing as '2nd Amendment rights?'

Are they using it improperly and meaning 'gun laws?' (The Constitution is a where our rights are enumerated and then laws are created)
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I am guessing it is the grammar of it that makes you wonder. I don’t know but we also use terms like abortion rights and voting rights. I think it is just an accepted form of short hand. But it would be interesting to know when it started. My google-fu seems to fail me this time.
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But people have actual rights to abortion and voting.

And the 2A means that we have the right to own and bear arms. Are those 'our gun rights' (is that what the OP is asking?)
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I am guessing it is the grammar of it that makes you wonder. I don’t know but we also use terms like abortion rights and voting rights. I think it is just an accepted form of short hand. But it would be interesting to know when it started. My google-fu seems to fail me this time.
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An abortion is an activity and to connect it with the right to that activity is understandable though still a bit clumsy. Has any court or law ever used the term ABORTION RIGHTS?

Voting is also an activity and to connect it with the right to that activity is understandable. And we have the VOTING RIGHTS ACT so we know that is part of law.

The only other comparison where we connect a noun to the following word RIGHTS seems to be PROPERTY RIGHTS. But if there are more I would like to know about them.

But can anyone tell me when the term GUN RIGHTS was first used and when it became popular?
 
haymarket said:
An abortion is an activity and to connect it with the right to that activity is understandable though still a bit clumsy. Has any court or law ever used the term ABORTION RIGHTS?

Voting is also an activity and to connect it with the right to that activity is understandable. And we have the VOTING RIGHTS ACT so we know that is part of law.

The only other comparison where we connect a noun to the following word RIGHTS seems to be PROPERTY RIGHTS. But if there are more I would like to know about them.

But can anyone tell me when the term GUN RIGHTS was first used and when it became popular?
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I was trying to do a search on google books, which searches through the texts of all books and magazines in its system, but I can’t order it by date. Maybe someone else can. So far I haven’t found anything earlier than 1988 but I know it has been around longer than that.
 
haymarket said:
Does anyone here know when the term GUN RIGHTS was first used and made popular to describe the right of a citizen to own firearms as described in the Second Amendment?

I can find nothing which traces this term and it causes me to wonder if this is a relatively modern evolution of language and how we look at Second Amendment rights.

We have lots of knowledgable people here and I am hoping somebody has this information and can make it available.
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And at the same time, look up "property rights". I want to know when folks first started thinking that dirt and rocks had rights.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I was trying to do a search on google books, which searches through the texts of all books and magazines in its system, but I can’t order it by date. Maybe someone else can. So far I haven’t found anything earlier than 1988 but I know it has been around longer than that.
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I appreciate your work. I did something similar on my end and found nothing definitive. It seems to be a modern term but I hope to find out for sure.
 
Rucker61 said:
And at the same time, look up "property rights". I want to know when folks first started thinking that dirt and rocks had rights.
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Again, I do not know because that is not the subject of this thread, but I suspect that property rights predates gun rights. But it is interesting.
 
haymarket said:
Does anyone here know when the term GUN RIGHTS was first used and made popular to describe the right of a citizen to own firearms as described in the Second Amendment?

I can find nothing which traces this term and it causes me to wonder if this is a relatively modern evolution of language and how we look at Second Amendment rights.

We have lots of knowledgable people here and I am hoping somebody has this information and can make it available.
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self defense is a right but gun right is stupid ,we see why
 
haymarket said:
Does anyone here know when the term GUN RIGHTS was first used and made popular to describe the right of a citizen to own firearms as described in the Second Amendment?

I can find nothing which traces this term and it causes me to wonder if this is a relatively modern evolution of language and how we look at Second Amendment rights.

We have lots of knowledgable people here and I am hoping somebody has this information and can make it available.
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It seems odd that a gun should have rights.

Churchill weeps for the language he loved.
 
haymarket said:
Does anyone here know when the term GUN RIGHTS was first used and made popular to describe the right of a citizen to own firearms as described in the Second Amendment?

I can find nothing which traces this term and it causes me to wonder if this is a relatively modern evolution of language and how we look at Second Amendment rights.

We have lots of knowledgable people here and I am hoping somebody has this information and can make it available.
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It doesn't matter when the term was first used, the fact of the matter is that its a common term used today and that's what people say when they talk about the rights of people to purchase, own, keep, carry, and use guns for lawful purposes. So instead of arguing over semantics you should just accept and use the term as it is.
 
DebateChallenge said:
It doesn't matter when the term was first used, the fact of the matter is that its a common term used today and that's what people say when they talk about the rights of people to purchase, own, keep, carry, and use guns for lawful purposes. So instead of arguing over semantics you should just accept and use the term as it is.
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Then you should stay out this thread because the purpose of it as stated quite clearly in the OP is to find out when the term was first used.
 
haymarket said:
Then you should stay out this thread because the purpose of it as stated quite clearly in the OP is to find out when the term was first used.
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they pretend to misunderstand the english :lol:
 
Medusa said:
they pretend to misunderstand the english :lol:
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You could be right. However I suspect there is a segment who understand the use of the english very well and they understand the implications of the term and the advantage it gives the gun lobby and its supporters.
 
haymarket said:
You could be right. However I suspect there is a segment who understand the use of the english very well and they understand the implications of the term and the advantage it gives the gun lobby and its supporters.
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Of course ,I cant understand this concept either ,gun right is a stupid right
 
haymarket said:
You could be right. However I suspect there is a segment who understand the use of the english very well and they understand the implications of the term and the advantage it gives the gun lobby and its supporters.
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Oh no, not the dreaded "gun lobby."

As if it matters why someone defends my rights.
 
haymarket said:
Then you should stay out this thread because the purpose of it as stated quite clearly in the OP is to find out when the term was first used.
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I don't know when the term was first used but "gun rights" is much shorter, much simpler, and much easier to say than, "right of the people to keep and bear arms," which has its origin back when the constitution was first written.
 
Spartacus FPV said:
Oh no, not the dreaded "gun lobby."

As if it matters why someone defends my rights.
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And what is your knowledge of the origin of the term GUN RIGHTS as used today?
 
DebateChallenge said:
I don't know when the term was first used but "gun rights" is much shorter, much simpler, and much easier to say than, "right of the people to keep and bear arms," which has its origin back when the constitution was first written.
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And what is you knowledge of the term GUN RIGHTS as used today as differentiated from the specific language of the Second Amendment?
 
Medusa said:
calling it a right is dangerous ,he means

everyday people are being shot ,you know
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You wouldn't call shooting innocent people a right. Nobody has such a right.
 
I've been hearing "gun rights" my entire life. Sure the wording is sloppy, but that's the point. People who do not want to say, "I am pro second amendment" have cut out syllables to get to the point and be lazy. It's kind of silly to discuss.
 
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